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Re: Ngondro

Postby Yudron » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:13 am

My first ngondro I did with a Lama who has one accumulate do all of the accumulations concurrently rather than sequentially. That ngondro took 4 years in working, married life.
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Postby Yudron » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:53 pm

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Re: Ngondro

Postby Grigoris » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:11 pm

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Re: Ngondro

Postby deepbluehum » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:30 pm

At the Vajra Yoga center in SF, Drubpon Gonpo Dorje Rinpoche is starting a cycle of Co-Emergent Mahamudra teachings. There are four preliminaries: Contemplation of Impermanence and Death, Guru Yoga, Vajrasattva Recitation and Mandala Offering. He researched Lord Jigten Sumgon's texts where it is recommended that each preliminary should be completed in at least two weeks of solitary retreat, which comes out to about 150 hours. The 100,000 came after about the 13th Century when monastery practice became the mainstay, but in Milarepa's time of lay practitioners it was not like that. He is planning to allow students to complete at least a three day retreat (10 hrs / day), and then allow the student to complete the remainder of the 150 hours at home. When the preliminaries are complete, then he will give the pointing out instructions and the retreats of mahamudra. From now on, the focus will be on quality of recitation, rather than quantity. HH Drikung Chetsang Rinpoche gave his approval for Westerners to be trained in this way. It acknowledges not only that Westerners don't have sufficient time to complete 100,000 recitations, but also it acknowledges the merit Westerners have already gathered, typically being intelligent, well-educated, and having comfortable living situations. HH explains that the practice is simpler, but the blessings are much greater.

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Re: Ngondro

Postby Terma » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:13 pm

Very interesting, deepbluehum!

I really agree with the comment about the merit that westerner's posses. I think I heard in a teaching years ago that way, way back when (in India), Vajrayana initially was only taught to the upper echelon's of the society, ie. kings, nobleman...And this was due to their previous accumulation of merit, as it was taught those without sufficient merit would not likely succeed in practicing the Vajrayana. So in a way it makes sense that there are so many Westerners practicing Vajrayana in these times; due to our merit, and looking at things in terms of the merit that we have, all the more reason to be diligent and make us of this situation before this merit is exhausted.

But getting back to topic...

I must admit, the prospect of a condensed ngondro in this way and format is quite attractive! But alas, my teacher is fairly traditional in this way so I will do the full deal. :tongue: besides it is an amazing practice, so no complaints here! But time is a factor for so many people these days.

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Re: Ngondro

Postby smcj » Wed May 29, 2013 7:05 am

I just joined DW. I can't tell you how nice it is to see a thread with 186 posts regarding Ngondro/prostrations. It's heartwarming. Thanks everybody. I'll go through the entire thread at a later date. :namaste:
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Re: Ngondro

Postby TaTa » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:04 pm

Anyone doing the 17th karmapa ngondro?

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Re: Ngondro

Postby smcj » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:27 am

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Re: Ngondro

Postby conebeckham » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:58 am

I' ve "dabbled" with it, and yes, it's much shorter.

I'm sure it's available out there, somewhere....it's a small booklet.


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Re: Ngondro

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:02 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Ngondro

Postby Stewart » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:06 pm

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Re: Ngondro

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Re: Ngondro

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Re: Ngondro

Postby Nilasarasvati » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:45 pm

She has a finite quantity of her favorite birth control (sponge) which has ceased to be manufactured.
All her future prospective boyfriends are measured against this impossible criteria of whether they are sponge-worthy or not.

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Re: Ngondro

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