Re: Ngondro
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:13 am
My first ngondro I did with a Lama who has one accumulate do all of the accumulations concurrently rather than sequentially. That ngondro took 4 years in working, married life.
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I didn't notice I was in the Kagyu Forum, sorry. I've done only Nyingma ngondros.Yudron wrote:My first ngondro I did with a Lama who has one accumulate do all of the accumulations concurrently rather than sequentially. That ngondro took 4 years in working, married life.
Well you should be sorry! You nasty, naughty, nyingma you!Yudron wrote:I didn't notice I was in the Kagyu Forum, sorry. I've done only Nyingma ngondros.Yudron wrote:My first ngondro I did with a Lama who has one accumulate do all of the accumulations concurrently rather than sequentially. That ngondro took 4 years in working, married life.
Actually, perhaps I should start a new topic in the general section, as the ngondro I am doing comes from a terma cycle so it is not actually the Mahamudra/kagyu ngondro.Yudron wrote:
I didn't notice I was in the Kagyu Forum, sorry. I've done only Nyingma ngondros.
No. What is different about it? As in, if it is shorter, where can I find it?TaTa wrote:Anyone doing the 17th karmapa ngondro?
Still 111,111 of each though, right?conebeckham wrote:I' ve "dabbled" with it, and yes, it's much shorter.
I'm sure it's available out there, somewhere....it's a small booklet.
If it is 111,111 of each it doesn't make it any shorter, unless you mean like a shorter liturgy.smcj wrote:Still 111,111 of each though, right?conebeckham wrote:I' ve "dabbled" with it, and yes, it's much shorter.
I'm sure it's available out there, somewhere....it's a small booklet.
It's a shorter liturgy...As is the 'The Kusalis Nectar' by Jamgon Kongtrul Lodro Thaye, which is the Ngondro I done under Mingyur Rinpoche as part of two 3 year and a 5 year Mahamudra courses. Plus I only had to do 11k of each part as per MR's instruction, it was mainly geared toward pointing out/introduction, not number crunchinggregkavarnos wrote:If it is 111,111 of each it doesn't make it any shorter, unless you mean like a shorter liturgy.smcj wrote:Still 111,111 of each though, right?conebeckham wrote:I' ve "dabbled" with it, and yes, it's much shorter.
I'm sure it's available out there, somewhere....it's a small booklet.
Yes. Shorter liturgy and we are encouraged to make 10k acumulations of each first and then complete the rest. I have recived the instrucctions and lung but havent started yet (still working on the 4 thoughts that turn the mind towards dharma. In my center are given in the context of a meditation program given by bokar rinpoche that takes at least half a year)smcj wrote:No. What is different about it? As in, if it is shorter, where can I find it?TaTa wrote:Anyone doing the 17th karmapa ngondro?
Can you see how that frame of mind would make a session of NgonDro more potent?I've already thrown or given away 95% of my personal property, the stuff that for years seemed so important. All those great books I'll never get to read; reams and reams of legal work I've been dragging around, and studying, for two decades and which has suddenly lost its relevance.
My magazines and newspapers stack up unread; I have little appetite to waste valuable, irreplaceable hours reading up on current events. Does it really matter to me now what's happening in the Middle East, or on Wall Street, or how my Miami Dolphins are looking for the upcoming new season? What's the point? Ditto the TV; I'm uninterested in wasting time watching programs that now mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The other day I caught myself reaching for my daily vitamin. Really?, I wondered, as the absurdity hit me. Likewise, after 40 years of working out religiously, that's out the window now. Again, what's the point? Now, every decision about how to spend the next hour reminds me of Elaine in that "Seinfeld" episode where she had to constantly evaluate whether her boyfriends were really "sponge worthy."
smcj wrote:Before you start each session of your NgonDro practice, you're supposed to contemplate 'The Four Thoughts', one of which is death.
The following is an excerpt from William Van Poyck, who wrote it on death row shortly before being executed:
Can you see how that frame of mind would make a session of NgonDro more potent?I've already thrown or given away 95% of my personal property, the stuff that for years seemed so important. All those great books I'll never get to read; reams and reams of legal work I've been dragging around, and studying, for two decades and which has suddenly lost its relevance.
My magazines and newspapers stack up unread; I have little appetite to waste valuable, irreplaceable hours reading up on current events. Does it really matter to me now what's happening in the Middle East, or on Wall Street, or how my Miami Dolphins are looking for the upcoming new season? What's the point? Ditto the TV; I'm uninterested in wasting time watching programs that now mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The other day I caught myself reaching for my daily vitamin. Really?, I wondered, as the absurdity hit me. Likewise, after 40 years of working out religiously, that's out the window now. Again, what's the point? Now, every decision about how to spend the next hour reminds me of Elaine in that "Seinfeld" episode where she had to constantly evaluate whether her boyfriends were really "sponge worthy."
The actual formal meditation of death has more elements than that, but he seemed to have covered parts of it pretty well. For instance I don't think the Seinfeld reference is necessary for a Buddhist to contemplate in particular. But then again, I've never seen that episode, so maybe it is!
Mods: that quote was from a CNN article, in case there's a copyright policy or issue.
Amazing. I can only imagine the deep realization that milarepa had of the four thoughts to dedicate his life to dharma the way he did.smcj wrote:Before you start each session of your NgonDro practice, you're supposed to contemplate 'The Four Thoughts', one of which is death.
The following is an excerpt from William Van Poyck, who wrote it on death row shortly before being executed:
Can you see how that frame of mind would make a session of NgonDro more potent?I've already thrown or given away 95% of my personal property, the stuff that for years seemed so important. All those great books I'll never get to read; reams and reams of legal work I've been dragging around, and studying, for two decades and which has suddenly lost its relevance.
My magazines and newspapers stack up unread; I have little appetite to waste valuable, irreplaceable hours reading up on current events. Does it really matter to me now what's happening in the Middle East, or on Wall Street, or how my Miami Dolphins are looking for the upcoming new season? What's the point? Ditto the TV; I'm uninterested in wasting time watching programs that now mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The other day I caught myself reaching for my daily vitamin. Really?, I wondered, as the absurdity hit me. Likewise, after 40 years of working out religiously, that's out the window now. Again, what's the point? Now, every decision about how to spend the next hour reminds me of Elaine in that "Seinfeld" episode where she had to constantly evaluate whether her boyfriends were really "sponge worthy."
The actual formal meditation of death has more elements than that, but he seemed to have covered parts of it pretty well. For instance I don't think the Seinfeld reference is necessary for a Buddhist to contemplate in particular. But then again, I've never seen that episode, so maybe it is!
Mods: that quote was from a CNN article, in case there's a copyright policy or issue.
Ok, then what does "sponge worthy" mean in terms of Elaines boyfriends?PD: Love Seinfeld
Ok, I get it, and I like it. Does seem like a good analogy for budgeting finite resources like time. I don't know if I will want to incorporate it into my formal contemplation of death, but it may end up like trying to not think about a pink elephant. The more you try not to, the worse it gets!Nilasarasvati wrote:She has a finite quantity of her favorite birth control (sponge) which has ceased to be manufactured.
All her future prospective boyfriends are measured against this impossible criteria of whether they are sponge-worthy or not.