More Trungpa talk

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Postby MalaBeads » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:29 pm

I am well aware of my idiocy. I am also very aware that you too are an idiot. Therein lies our mutuality.

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Postby Simon E. » Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:00 pm

I was a student of CTR's from the mid-60's when he was still in the robe. I last saw him some time before his death.
I have met many Buddhist teachers of various traditions.
Comparisons are odious as Oscar said...
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was the most awake and aware person I have ever met..in sickness or health..sober or otherwise. He was gloriously, blazingly..fearlessly.. Awake.

Thats all.

I will now shuffle back to the shadows..

:namaste:
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my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

Robert V.C. Burns.

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Postby MalaBeads » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:08 pm

I am well aware of my idiocy. I am also very aware that you too are an idiot. Therein lies our mutuality.

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Postby lobster » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:05 am

For or against, it is all wooden tops for the fire. :stirthepot:

I wonder how many old flames are ever extinguished . . .
This then is the potential - to learn from what is thought . . . :woohoo:

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Postby Andrew108 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:30 pm

No doubt in my mind that Trungpa Rinpoche was the real deal. I know dear students of his who are still with him. He was a fascinating man.
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Postby heart » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:18 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Postby Simon E. » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:28 am

Long certainly. Interesting ? Possibly.
But my own view of Dharma differs radically from that of this Forum.
There is no gain to be had in ignoring that. Folk just get annoyed. And then have to deny the fact that they are annoyed.. :smile:
No I will stick to " read only " mode...

Good wishes to you Magnus... :namaste:
" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

Robert V.C. Burns.

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Postby heart » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:30 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Postby Andrew108 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:38 pm

Nicely said Magnus. I also hope Simon will start posting again.
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Postby username » Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:26 am

I don't mind the criticisms by followers (who never met him) of other lamas who had a history with Trungpa, I actually admire the extent of their loyalty to their gurus, which however should not sanction attacking a major contemporary Terton. Many of the critics who did meet Trungpa though seem to have softened their stance or changed their views outright. The couple who claimed to be Avant-garde and modern writers and refused to get naked like everyone else on a certain night round a camp fire dance or whatever and were just watching as voyeurs and who were made naked by force, actually dismissed the whole thing a few years ago to a large extent IIRC from an interview and admitted changing their mind essentially. Maybe they finally did become Avant-garde and modern!

Funnily enough a handful of Buddhist followers of Trungpa after many years seem to be upset with him all of a sudden and have switched from praising him to criticize him. Maybe they just didn't like the way he handled them. Or maybe the Terton had clarity to see those few would fall later in this lifetime. Or both, who knows the ways of a siddha's wisdom. But the overwhelming majority of his students who are alive seem to progress superbly on the path and their devotion and realization of him and Buddhism's essence or nature of mind just keeps increasing IMO from what they write or say in interviews on the chronicles website. Well done to those pioneering western practitioner disciples of the magnificent Terton who are excellent unfailing role models for the rest of us.

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Re: More Trungpa talk

Postby muni » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:39 am

Allow me small contemplation: Meditation is to know my mind, my neurosisses are to know others.
Wise insult ego, to liberation of it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWZ-ADaV ... 6AF4A1559F

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Re: More Trungpa talk

Postby Simon E. » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:36 am

" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

Robert V.C. Burns.

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Re: More Trungpa talk

Postby Andrew108 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:41 am

Good to see you posting Simon. I understand where you are coming from. Personally I feel Trungpa Rinpoche is still around.
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Re: More Trungpa talk

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:53 pm

I feel a bit strange about the controversy given my refuge name ... I respect all views ...

His Collected Works are about as good as it gets IMHO given they are written from POV of the western reader. Apart from his terma writings which I don't feel connection to.

"His entire life was a pointing out instruction ..." I don't know.

Yes - perhaps even if only in the sense that it was a question: "You ask if this is really just a big game for charlatans and hypocrites? Well only you can decide, you make this real - so go practise". Practise, practise, practise.

I bow - to all those who suffer harm, and to the lineage, and to all lineages.

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