An interesting quote from HHST

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Postby smcj » Wed May 18, 2016 12:31 pm

Ok, so in 20 posts we have gone from "everybody knows that", to "It has something to do with the Sambogakaya" and "I think the Uttaratantra talks about it", to nobody has read the Uttaratantra and understood it, to the only guy in the room that actually has studied the Uttaratantra not wanting to talk about it (apparently).

Can we call this a case of the Dunning-Kruger effect?



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Re: An interesting quote from HHST

Postby Grigoris » Wed May 18, 2016 1:26 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: An interesting quote from HHST

Postby MiphamFan » Wed May 18, 2016 2:08 pm

I don't about you but I thought the notion of Buddha activities was already clear from listening to my teachers' oral explanations. Sutras like the above just helped to clarify it more.

Maybe you found it unclear because you are still attached to a monistic idea of tathagathagarbha.

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Re: An interesting quote from HHST

Postby MiphamFan » Wed May 18, 2016 2:31 pm

I don't see what is there to be clear or unclear about.

Buddhas spontaneously manifest in different forms to guide beings to awakening, depending on those beings' karmic seeds. It's not a conscious volitional act like a human deliberately helping a beggar for example; Buddhas already pass beyond volition and other mental formations, it just comes from knowing the nature of reality.

There is a quote attributed to Padmasambhava IIRC, saying that the compassion of the Buddhas is impartial, like the rays of the sun illuminating the whole earth, but sraddha is like a magnifying glass that focusses it. I understand it to be pretty much the same idea; Buddhas emit their compassion to all beings but we all have different capabilities (lenses) for different manifestations of that compassion. Maybe you have a plastic lens, I have a glass lens, maybe someone else has a prism, a crystal etc, which all causes the light to manifest differently. That's why there are 9 yanas for different capacities.

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Postby MiphamFan » Wed May 18, 2016 2:48 pm

All kinds of forms, sentient and non-sentient. IIRC there are various stories in the sutras where Buddhas manifest as physical objects.

Life and death are meaningless to Buddhas, first bhumi bodhisattvas already experience no pain from death. Nirmanakayas are essentially

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Re: An interesting quote from HHST

Postby BuddhaFollower » Wed May 18, 2016 4:45 pm

Malcolm,

Does infinite bodhicitta result in an infinite Sambhogakaya?

That's my understanding.
Just recognize the conceptualizing mind.

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Re: An interesting quote from HHST

Postby Grigoris » Wed May 18, 2016 5:23 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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All things are unworthy of clinging to (sabbe dhammā nâla abhinivesāyā). --Shakyamuni Buddha
Wanting to grasp the ungraspable, you exhaust yourself in vain. --Gendun Rinpoche

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Re: An interesting quote from HHST

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You guys have balls to cop to believing in buddhas that help. That's not politically correct here at DW. :bow:
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Re: An interesting quote from HHST

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Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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