You are most welcome.treehuggingoctopus wrote:Suddenly it's become a most interesting thread.Malcolm wrote:Sure. Even Buddha had prejudices and biases. It's very obvious when you read the Pali canon, for example.Clarence wrote:
The question I find interesting is whether or not you believe someone can be realized without having abandoned his prejudices and biases?
Buddha was a human being, he had a human brain, human sense organs and all the limitations of a human body (birth, aging, sickness and death). He was accused of sexual improprieties and all kinds of other faults. He watched his entire clan be murdered and enslaved and did nothing about it (if that does not demonstrate to one that Buddha found life empty of meaning, nothing else will). Rahula was hugely disappointed in him until Rahula decided to follow the Dharma himself.
Dzongsar Kyentse Rinpoche brief comment on Je Tsongkhapa
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And your's are TRUE (tm)? Typical fundamentalist remark.Poorbitch wrote:one more scholars who falls in the darkness of materialism and false assumptions about the buddhas . So predictableMalcolm wrote: Sure. Even Buddha had prejudices and biases. It's very obvious when you read the Pali canon, for example.
Buddha was a human being, he had a human brain, human sense organs and all the limitations of a human body (birth, aging, sickness and death). He was accused of sexual improprieties and all kinds of other faults. He watched his entire clan be murdered and enslaved and did nothing about it (if that does not demonstrate to one that Buddha found life empty of meaning, nothing else will). Rahula was hugely disappointed in him until Rahula decided to follow the Dharma himself.
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In Buddhism, good friendships are the meaning of life. Buddhism can be understood as the art of the beautiful relationship.
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invisiblediamond wrote:In Buddhism, good friendships are the meaning of life. Buddhism can be understood as the art of the beautiful relationship.
I never said there was no meaning to found in the universe. I said the universe was meaningless.
Two entirely different concepts.
For example, a tree can be meaningful for a carpenter, a mouse, a bird, a boring insect or a sculptor, all in different ways. None of the meaning these beings impute on that tree is inherent in that tree. The tree, so far as anyone knows, merely is born, ages, gets sick and dies. By itself, it has no meaning. By ourselves, we have no meaning. We can find meaning, if we want to, but we should not turn that meaning we have found into teleology.
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talking of meaning isolated from sentience is bizarre to me… samsara has meaning and its meaning is suffering; because of this liberation has meaning; because of that dharma has meaning.
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Who is preaching his truth here my friend ? The new born from the unborn ?Malcolm wrote:And your's are TRUE (tm)? Typical fundamentalist remark.Poorbitch wrote:one more scholars who falls in the darkness of materialism and false assumptions about the buddhas . So predictableMalcolm wrote: Sure. Even Buddha had prejudices and biases. It's very obvious when you read the Pali canon, for example.
Buddha was a human being, he had a human brain, human sense organs and all the limitations of a human body (birth, aging, sickness and death). He was accused of sexual improprieties and all kinds of other faults. He watched his entire clan be murdered and enslaved and did nothing about it (if that does not demonstrate to one that Buddha found life empty of meaning, nothing else will). Rahula was hugely disappointed in him until Rahula decided to follow the Dharma himself.
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If you don't give any reasons for your claim that Malcolm's view is wrong your behaviour is simply disruptive.Poorbitch wrote:one more scholars who falls in the darkness of materialism and false assumptions about the buddhas . So predictable
"I struggled with some demons, They were middle class and tame..." L. Cohen
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I know but it's not my problemReasonAndRhyme wrote:If you don't give any reasons for your claim that Malcolm's view is wrong your behaviour is simply disruptive.Poorbitch wrote:one more scholars who falls in the darkness of materialism and false assumptions about the buddhas . So predictable
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I agree. It's because there's nothing, all we have is each other or nothing. For me the beauty found in friendships far exceeds the beauty in anything else. The Buddha mentioned the path is about friendships.Malcolm wrote:invisiblediamond wrote:In Buddhism, good friendships are the meaning of life. Buddhism can be understood as the art of the beautiful relationship.
I never said there was no meaning to found in the universe. I said the universe was meaningless.
Two entirely different concepts.
For example, a tree can be meaningful for a carpenter, a mouse, a bird, a boring insect or a sculptor, all in different ways. None of the meaning these beings impute on that tree is inherent in that tree. The tree, so far as anyone knows, merely is born, ages, gets sick and dies. By itself, it has no meaning. By ourselves, we have no meaning. We can find meaning, if we want to, but we should not turn that meaning we have found into teleology.
Say, what sexual impropriety was Buddha accused of? I hadn't heard that before.
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Yeah, you know, you can choose dogmatism over reason if you like and if it makes you happy. But for others it may seem a bit futile to engage in further discussions with you.Poorbitch wrote:I know but it's not my problem
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He was accused of impregnating a woman. She showed up with a trough under her skirt, accused him of getting her pregnant.invisiblediamond wrote: Say, what sexual impropriety was Buddha accused of? I hadn't heard that before.
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hehe. I thought saffron grew where ever he sat and horse shit turned to apples for him. Then BAM, an episode of Jerry Springer.Malcolm wrote:He was accused of impregnating a woman. She showed up with a trough under her skirt, accused him of getting her pregnant.invisiblediamond wrote: Say, what sexual impropriety was Buddha accused of? I hadn't heard that before.
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Am I alone in wondering who is sheltering behind the rather odd name chosen by our apparently newly active member ?ReasonAndRhyme wrote:If you don't give any reasons for your claim that Malcolm's view is wrong your behaviour is simply disruptive.Poorbitch wrote:one more scholars who falls in the darkness of materialism and false assumptions about the buddhas . So predictable
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LOLinvisiblediamond wrote:hehe. I thought saffron grew where ever he sat and horse shit turned to apples for him. Then BAM, an episode of Jerry Springer.Malcolm wrote:He was accused of impregnating a woman. She showed up with a trough under her skirt, accused him of getting her pregnant.invisiblediamond wrote: Say, what sexual impropriety was Buddha accused of? I hadn't heard that before.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....
In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….
-Milarepa
OMMANIPADMEHUNG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....
In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….
-Milarepa
OMMANIPADMEHUNG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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With regards to the whole "Buddhism and the meaning of life" thing, I think the following passage from the Samyutta Nikaya is important to keep in mind:
(Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation)On one occasion the Blessed One was dwelling at Kosambi in a simsapa grove. Then the Blessed One took up a few simsapa leaves in his hand and addressed the bhikkhus thus: “What do you think, bhikkhus, which is more numerous: these few simsapa leaves that I have taken up in my hand or those in the simsapa grove overhead?”
“Venerable sir, the simsapa leaves that the Blessed One has taken up in his hand are few, but those in the simsapa grove overhead are numerous.”
“So too, bhikkhus, the things I have directly known but have not taught you are numerous, while the things I have taught you are few. And why, bhikkhus, have I not taught those many things? Because they are unbeneficial, irrelevant to the fundamentals of the holy life, and do not lead to revulsion, to dispassion, to cessation, to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbana. Therefore I have not taught them.
“And what, bhikkhus, have I taught? I have taught: ‘This is suffering’; I have taught: ‘This is the origin of suffering’; I have taught: ‘This is the cessation of suffering’; I have taught: ‘This is the way leading to the cessation of suffering.’ And why, bhikkhus, have I taught this? Because this is beneficial, relevant to the fundamentals of the holy life, and leads to revulsion, to dispassion, to cessation, to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbana. Therefore I have taught this.
“Therefore, bhikkhus, an exertion should be made to understand: ‘This is suffering.’… An exertion should be made to understand: ‘This is the way leading to the cessation of suffering.’”
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
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"Life is what you make it."
-Buddha
-Buddha
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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LOLinvisiblediamond wrote:hehe. I thought saffron grew where ever he sat and horse shit turned to apples for him. Then BAM, an episode of Jerry Springer.Malcolm wrote:He was accused of impregnating a woman. She showed up with a trough under her skirt, accused him of getting her pregnant.invisiblediamond wrote: Say, what sexual impropriety was Buddha accused of? I hadn't heard that before.
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
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It is your problem, for two reasons: first, because we're all responsible for our actions, inclusive of speech acts (there's karma again). Second, because...Poorbitch wrote:I know but it's not my problemReasonAndRhyme wrote:If you don't give any reasons for your claim that Malcolm's view is wrong your behaviour is simply disruptive.Poorbitch wrote:one more scholars who falls in the darkness of materialism and false assumptions about the buddhas . So predictable
http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f= ... ead#unreadThe TERMS OF SERVICE FOR THIS PARTICULAR WEBSITE wrote:Do not be disruptive.