what the differences between Korean Cheontae and Tendai?

[ShineeSeoul]

Hi everybody

I have read recently about Japanese Tendai Buddhism, and find it to be interesting because it seems to me like its the most complete school of Buddhism, as its include the teachings in Mahayana Buddhism

and I know that there is buddhist school in Korea called Cheontae which is Korean Tendai, there is no really resourced in english about this school, I have looked in Youtube about this school, it seems different from Japanese Tendai

does any one knows if its similiar or not?

Thanks

[qishenjing]

There is a pretty interesting (to me) book titled The Marathon Monks of Hiei by John Stevens. It gives a pretty thorough history of Tendai. Maybe it will help.

[ShineeSeoul]

There is a pretty interesting (to me) book titled The Marathon Monks of Hiei by John Stevens. It gives a pretty thorough history of Tendai. Maybe it will help.

actually, there is a lots of resources about tendai buddhism in english, but there is aren't about Korean Cheontae buddhism, so I was curious to know if its similiar or different

[Caodemarte]

Main Cheontae temople is at http://eng.templestay.com/reservation/t ... troduction
and their new university is at http://www.ggu.ac.kr/eng/html/research.php

AFAIK, Cheontae teachings were absorbed by Korean Seon (having the same close relationship as between Tendai and Zen) so I don't think there are any doctrinal differences.

[Seishin]

Korean Cheontae and Japanese Tendai are both descendents of Chinese Tientai (aka T'ian t'ai)

Korean Cheontae is pretty much no different to Chinese Tientai.

Japanese Tendai, although still containing Chinese Tientai, also incorporated many more practices not found in the original Tientai, including the esoteric teachings and lineage.

In gassho
Seishin

[Seishin]

Try www.cheontae.org

There is also a pdf called "the meaning of Cheontae " which is worth a read. Then compare it with "the characteristics of Japanese Tendai", which should give you a basic comparison of the two.

[rory]

SS;
Seishin is in Great Britain and there are also Tendai priests in Europe; why not contact them. I think Tendai is what you are looking for as it has many meditational practices like Zen and also the esoteric practices that interest you + the Lotus Sutra.
gassho
Rory

[ShineeSeoul]

Try http://www.cheontae.org

There is also a pdf called "the meaning of Cheontae " which is worth a read. Then compare it with "the characteristics of Japanese Tendai", which should give you a basic comparison of the two.

Thanks

I checked the article, however, I havn't found part "the characteristics of Japanese Tendai" in the pdf

[ShineeSeoul]

Main Cheontae temople is at http://eng.templestay.com/reservation/t ... troduction
and their new university is at http://www.ggu.ac.kr/eng/html/research.php

AFAIK, Cheontae teachings were absorbed by Korean Seon (having the same close relationship as between Tendai and Zen) so I don't think there are any doctrinal differences.

Thanks for the link...I know about this

I did realize that cheontae don't do Goma fire, as tendai do...I think this is the obvious differences, but there is others also

[Seishin]

Try http://www.cheontae.org

There is also a pdf called "the meaning of Cheontae " which is worth a read. Then compare it with "the characteristics of Japanese Tendai", which should give you a basic comparison of the two.

Thanks

I checked the article, however, I havn't found part "the characteristics of Japanese Tendai" in the pdf

https://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/nfile/2349

[ShineeSeoul]

Try http://www.cheontae.org

There is also a pdf called "the meaning of Cheontae " which is worth a read. Then compare it with "the characteristics of Japanese Tendai", which should give you a basic comparison of the two.

Thanks

I checked the article, however, I havn't found part "the characteristics of Japanese Tendai" in the pdf

https://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/nfile/2349

Thanks for the link...its beneficial, its interesting how saicho wanted to return to Nagarjuna teaching

but there is no actually comparison between Korean Cheontae and Japanese Tendai

[Seishin]

No its not a comparison, but read along side the other document should provide you with some understanding of the differences.

[jmlee369]

The Korean doctrinal school of Cheontae ceased to exist in 1424. What is currently known as Cheontae order in Korea was started in 1966. As far as on the ground, i.e. what happens at your local temple experience goes, there is not much difference between other forms of Korean Buddhism annd the Cheontae order. The Cheontae order claims to have a practical form of Buddhism, so that both monastics and lay people work during the day and do their practice at night (studying also for monastics). While the monastic education may incorporate the formal Tiantai doctrines of old, the main focus seems to be recitation of Avalokitesvara bodhisattva's name (Gwan-eum or Gwan-se-eum in Korean) for both lay and monastics.

While the monastics are celibate and are called bhiksu and bhiksuni, they do not follow the pratimoksha of the Vinaya. Rather, they ordain under the precept form of the ten non-virtues (while there is a scriptural basis for such bodhisattva precepts, the lineage of transmission does not exist in Korean Buddhism. Rather, the Brahma Net Sutra's ten major and fourty eight minor precepts were transmitted) . The one indication that the monastics are not Vinaya based is that women do not shave their heads.

Also, to become a formal lay member of the order, you must recite Avalokitesvara bodhisattva's name for three days at the head temple.