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Why in the Gohonzon of SGI are missing five worlds?
Nichikan Shonin did not copy the Dai-Gohonzon?
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Not sure where you get that idea. Which 5 realms do you think are missing?
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
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The Gohonzon of SGI is a Gohonzon complete as the Dai-Gohonzon?
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AFAIK, the Nichikan Gohonzon that SGI bestows is a Jikai Mandala, ie. Ten worlds Mandala, same as the so-called Dai Gohonzon enshrined at Taisekiji.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
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Mirko Miloro wrote:The Gohonzon of SGI is a Gohonzon complete as the Dai-Gohonzon?
I would say that the answer to that will depend on who you ask. From the looks of it, it seems as though you've been getting information from Nichiren Shoshu or perhaps reading information from them online somewhere?
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http://www.sgi-usa.org/memberresources/ ... honzon.php

The SGI Gohonzon is NOT a Ten World Gohonzon. Devedatta and the Nijo disciples are absent.

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The fact that Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Nichiren is transcribed is representative of the Ten Worlds...

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JazzIsTvRicky wrote:The fact that Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Nichiren is transcribed is representative of the Ten Worlds...

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There are other reasons the Nichikan Gohonzon is not a valid object of worship.

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illarraza wrote:
JazzIsTvRicky wrote:The fact that Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Nichiren is transcribed is representative of the Ten Worlds...

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There are other reasons the Nichikan Gohonzon is not a valid object of worship.

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Mark you have a mission as well as I, TSG is not significant to my mission any longer. The Gohonzon and my faith in it can not be determined by you or any other person. We all have our convictions and beliefs and since we are in an era of freedom of religion, each of us make our choice.

In the Gosho: 'The Real Aspect of the Gohonzon: Nichiren writes: "Never seek this Gohonzon outside yourself. The Gohonzon exists only within the mortal flesh of us ordinary people who embrace the Lotus Sutra and chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. The body is the palace of the ninth consciousness, the unchanging reality which reigns over all life's functions. To be "endowed with the Ten Worlds" means that all the Ten Worlds without exception are contained in the one world of Buddhahood. That is why the Gohonzon is called a mandala. Mandala is a Sanskrit word meaning "perfectly endowed" or "cluster of blessings." The Gohonzon is found in faith alone. As the sutra states, "Only with faith can one enter Buddhahood."

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“It also says: “Evil monks, hoping to gain fame and profit, will in many cases appear before the ruler, the crown prince, or the other princes, and take it upon themselves to preach doctrines that lead to the violation of the Buddhist Law and the destruction of the nation. The ruler, failing to perceive the truth of the situation, will listen to and put faith in such doctrines, and proceed to create regulations that are perverse in nature and that do not accord with the rules of Buddhist discipline. In this way he will bring about the destruction of Buddhism and of the nation.” — On Dealing With Disasters

This is exactly the situation in Japan today with the SGI/Komeito preaching false doctrines and counseling the ruling party which is creating perverse regulations, for example, those severely curtailing free speech, those allowing manufacture and sale of arms throughout asia and the world, those sanctioning an unprecedented post World War II military buildup, and those limiting assistance to TEPCO in the clean-up of Fukushima.

“The Great Collection Sutra says, “If he [the ruler of the state] sees that my teaching is in danger of perishing and stands idly by without doing anything to protect it, . . . his country will become the scene of three inauspicious occurrences.” — ibid

“The Lotus Sutra states: “In that evil age there will be monks with perverse wisdom and hearts that are fawning and crooked who will suppose they have attained what they have not attained, being proud and boastful in heart. . . . These men with evil in their hearts . . . will address the rulers, high ministers, Brahmans, and householders, as well as the other monks, slandering and speaking ill of us, saying, ‘These are men of perverted views who preach non-Buddhist doctrines!’ — ibid

“If we consider the matter in the light of these passages, we will see that evil monks fill the country and preach doctrines that lead to the destruction of the nation and the violation of the Buddhist Law. The rulers and the four kinds of Buddhist believers who live in that nation, failing to perceive the truth of the situation, listen to and put faith in their words. Therefore they reject and turn their hearts away from these Mahayana sutras.” — ibid

The Japanese rulers and the people have rejected and turned their hearts away from the Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni Buddha and Nichiren Daishonin and towards the Human Revolution, New Komeito, and Daisaku Ikeda.

“Answer: The Benevolent Kings Sutra says: “Those persons who should uphold and guard the three treasures of Buddhism will on the contrary become the destroyers of the three treasures, just as it is the worms that are born from the body of a dead lion that will feed on the lion’s flesh. It will not be the non-Buddhists [but in most cases the Buddha’s own disciples who will destroy this Buddhist Law of mine].”

SGI's Three Treasures are not the Three Treasures of the Lotus Sutra, Nichiren and his disciples.

If we go by this passage, those who destroy the nation and the Buddhist Law will come from among the disciples of the Buddha.” — ibid

This is self-explanatory.

“Question: These evil monks who destroy the correct teaching—do they destroy it with a teaching that resembles the correct teaching, or do they destroy it with an evil teaching?” — ibid

Nichiren goes on to say that those who destroy the correct teachings are those who embrace a teaching that resembles the correct teachings. To the ignorant, Nam Myoho renge kyo, the Nichikan Gohonzon, and the SGI faith is the same as Namu Myoho renge kyo, the Nichiren Gohonzon, and the Nichiren faith. Nothing could be further from the truth.

“As these passages demonstrate, those who slander the Law fail to realize in full how their acts affect others and proceed to commit grave faults, bringing about the destruction of the nation and the destruction of the Buddhist Law.” — ibid

These egotistical SGI heretics actually think that they are the avatars of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren who will ensure the peace and prosperity of Japan. The reality and modern history of the Japanese nation and rise of the Soka Gakkai demolishes their unwarranted faith.

The Golden Light Sutra states: “He neither makes offerings to it [the sutra], honors it, nor praises it. . . Then many different types of disasters will occur in the country.” The Nirvana Sutra speaks of those who “hate and despise the unsurpassed Great Nirvana Sutra.” — ibid

Altering the Three Treasures, particularly changing the Three Treasures and converting the Three Treasures into Four Treasures [adding the Treasure of the Guru Ikeda which subsumes the Three Treasures of the Sutra and Nichiren] is to hate and despise the Three Treasures. Making offerings to the false Three and Four Treasures, is to dishonor the Three Treasures of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren.

"Question: If what you say is true, then why do persons who put their faith in the Mahayana sutras such as the Lotus Sutra or the True Word sutras encounter such disasters?

Answer: The Golden Light Sutra says: “The laws will be twisted until even the innocent are made to suffer.” The Lotus Sutra states, “They would bring unexpected disaster on him.”

The poor, unstudied, and unlearned SGI newbies are the innocents who are made to suffer. They expect to realize unsurpassed Supreme and Perfect Enlightenment but fall into the Lower Realms. This comes as a great shock to them.

"Judging from these passages that have just been quoted, such practitioners of the Lotus Sutra and True Word teachings have not yet reached any very profound level of practice, their minds are still weak in faith, and though their mouths recite the words of the sutra, they do not yet understand their meaning; they recite them only for the sake of fame or gain. –ibid

GAIN [“Goodness, Beauty, and Gain”] — The heart of the SGI teachings. A pity! A shame!

“Answer: The forces of karma do not operate in fixed ways. There is what is called karma that manifests itself in one’s present existence. Describing such cases, the Lotus Sutra says that a person “will in his present existence be afflicted with white leprosy. . . . And he will suffer from . . . severe and malignant illnesses.” The Benevolent Kings Sutra states: “If persons destroy the teachings of the Buddha, they will have no filial sons, no harmony with their six kinds of relatives, and no aid from the heavenly deities. Disease and evil demons will come day after day to torment them, disasters will descend on them incessantly, and misfortunes will dog them wherever they go.” And the Nirvana Sutra states: “If there are those who fail to put faith in this sutra, when they approach the time of death, they will encounter a world troubled by disorder, armed strife will break out, or they will find themselves the victims of the tyranny of rulers or the quarrels and contentions of warring families.”

Just so!

"Regarding the second type of karma, that which manifests itself in one’s next existence, the Lotus Sutra says, “If a person fails to have faith but instead slanders this sutra, . . . When his life comes to an end he will enter the Avichi hell.” And the Benevolent Kings Sutra states: “If persons destroy the teachings of the Buddha, . . . when they die, they will fall into the realms of hell, hungry spirits, and animals.” — ibid

Frightening!

“Question: What is the quickest way to put an end to these disasters?

Answer: One must quickly take measures to deal with those who slander the Law. If this is not done, then although endless prayers are offered, they will not put an end to these disasters.

Question: What measures should be taken to deal with them?

Answer: The measures are indicated in the sutras. In the Nirvana Sutra we read, “The Buddha said, ‘With the exception of one type of person, you may offer alms to all kinds of persons. . . . [Persons of this one type] slander the correct teaching, and go on committing these grave acts. . . . With the exception of this one group of people called icchantikas, however, you may offer alms to all others, and everyone will praise you.’ ”

From this passage it is clear that one should take measures to see that no alms are given to persons of this type. In addition, there are many other measures to be taken, but I do not have time to discuss them all here.”

What can we do in this time and this place? Do not offer alms during the SGI May Contribution Campaign [or ever], immediately renounce your membership, and join us in reprimanding them.

Proof:

"Answer: The Nirvana Sutra states: “Now I entrust the correct teaching, which is unexcelled, to the rulers, the ministers, the high officials, and the monks and nuns. If anyone should vilify the correct teaching, then the rulers, the ministers, and the four kinds of Buddhists should reprimand him and bring him to order. [In doing so, they] are not guilty of any fault.”

“Question: You yourself are a priest, and yet you are exposing the errors of other priests—is this not a blameful act?

Answer: The Nirvana Sutra says: “If even a good monk sees someone destroying the teaching and disregards him, failing to reproach him, to oust him, or to punish him for his offense, then you should realize that that monk is betraying the Buddha’s teaching. But if he ousts the destroyer of the Law, reproaches him, or punishes him, then he is my disciple and a true voice-hearer.”

When I read this passage, it seems to me that, in order to avoid being condemned as a “betrayer of the Buddha’s teaching,” I must not be fearful of how others may judge my actions,…” ibid

Trust Nichiren. Reprimanding the Soka Gakkai, you will be praised by the Buddha, the Buddhas of the Ten Directions, Nichiren Daishonin, and the Bodhisattvas of the Universe.

“But if, having once perused what I have written, they do not carry out the measures recommended in the passages I have quoted, then how can they escape the fate described in the Great Collection Sutra when it says: “Though for countless existences in the past the ruler of a state may have practiced the giving of alms, observed the precepts, and cultivated wisdom, if he sees that my teaching is in danger of perishing and stands idly by without doing anything to protect it, then all [the inestimable roots of goodness that he has planted through the practices just mentioned] will be entirely wiped out, and his country will become the scene of three inauspicious occurrences. . . . After his life has come to an end, he will be reborn in the great hell.”

This is surely the fate of Shinzo Abe and Daisaku ikeda.

"The passage in the Benevolent Kings Sutra states, “If a time should come when the good fortune of these rulers runs out, . . . then the seven disasters are certain to arise.” And the passage in the Great Collection Sutra says that “though for countless existences in the past the ruler of a state may have practiced the giving of alms, observed the precepts, and cultivated wisdom, . . . all [the inestimable roots of goodness that he has planted through the practices just mentioned] will be entirely wiped out.” — ibid

Ever more horrendous disasters are in store for Japan under Abe and the New Komeito. My heart bleeds for the innocents who will suffer.

"In view of these passages, should one not set aside all other affairs and consider first of all why these disasters occur? If one does not do so, then more and more such disasters are bound to occur!


SGI members see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe. They have not delved deeply into the truth of even their own teachings. Perhaps I can help them.

Nichikan wrote:

"We recite the Hoben Pon (2nd chapter) to smash the provisional sutras, we recite the Juryo Hon (16th Chapter) to smash the Hoben Pon, and we recits the daimoku to smash the Lotus Sutra".

Nichiren wrote:

“Nowhere in all the five thousand or seven thousand volumes of sutras listed in the K’ai-yüan era catalog do we find a single scriptural passage that expresses disapproval of the Lotus Sutra and advises one to discard it or to cast it aside, nor any passage that says it is to be classified among the sundry practices and abandoned. If you disagree, you had better find some reliable passage from the sutras that will support your view, so that you may rescue Shan-tao and Honen from their torments in the hell of incessant suffering."(Coversations Between a Sage and Unenlightened Man).

Yet you do Gongyo and chant the Daimoku every day to this slanderer's Gohonzon. Why would you ever think for a moment that you too could escape the torments of hell?

In the "Toke Sanne Sho [On the Three Robes of Nichiren Shoshu]," Nichikan Shonin cites Nikko Shonin and Nichimoku Shonin as the Treasure of the Priest when revealing the Three Treasures of Nichiren Shoshu, and then states, "I say that all the Masters, the successive direct successors to the bestowal of the Law, are in this way included in the Three Treasures." (Seiten, p. 971)

Nichikan's Six Volume Writings" (Rokkan sho) is composed of the following:

1)."The Threefold Secret Teaching" (Sanju hiden sho): In this writing Nichikan exhorts us us to abandon the Lotus Sutra and only embrace Namu Myoho renge kyo. This is bizarre since Namu myoho renge kyo means devotion to the Lotus Sutra (Myoho renge kyo).

2)."The Meanings Hidden in the Depths" (Montei hichin sho). In this equally bizarre writing he changes the Great Secret Law of the Object of Worship in terms of the person from the Original Eternal Buddha Shakyamuni to Nichiren Daishonin.

3)."Interpretations Based on the Law" (Egi hanmon sho). In this equally strange writing, Nichikan teaches that the Lotus Sutra was preached by Shakyamuni to explain Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism rather than Nichiren Daishonin explaining the Lotus Sutra through his commentaries.

4)."Teachings for the Latter Day" (Mappo soo sho). In this writing, Nichikan attempts to overturn the use of statues as Objects of Worship despite the fact that Nichiren utilized and revered a Statue of Shakyamuni Buddha as an Object of Worship throughout his life, praised both Dozenbo, Toki Jonin, and Shijo Kingo for fashioning statues of Shakyamuni Buddha, and wrote about both "wooden and painted" images.

5)."The Practice of this School" (Toryu gyoji sho). In this slanderous writing, Nichikan says we chant the Daimoku to smash the Juryo Chapter and chant the Juryo Chapter to smash the Hobenpon.

6). The "Toke Sanne Sho" (The Three Robes of this School) explains the origin and significance of the traditional gray robe, the white surplice and the prayer beads of the Nichiren Shoshu priests. Here, he also goes on to overturn the Three Treasures of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren by asserting that Nichiren is the Treasure of the Buddha and that the heritage of the Law, the succession, is through the bequethal to one sole individual or the successive High Priests of Nichiren Shoshu (the Treasure of the Sangha). On the Juzu, he wrote:

"The Juzu is a means to guide persons of inferior capacity and force them into ascetic practices."

"Juzu require an eye-opening ceremony before use. This can be done at your local temple." (Six Volume Writings," Rokkan-sho, p. 225)

The Ryokkan Sho, far from being an Enlightened writing, is a bizarre writing.

Nichiren Daishonin, on the other hand, writes:

"When the Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai applied the simile of ghee to the Lotus Sutra, basing himself on a passage in the Nirvana Sutra, he declared that among all the sutras the Lotus Sutra is worthy to be compared to ghee. The True Word teaching was introduced to China from India two hundred years or more after the time of T’ien-t’ai. How then could T’ien-t’ai possibly have stolen the ghee of the True Word teaching and called it the ghee of the Lotus Sutra? Of all strange events, this would be the strangest!

What evidence is there then for calling persons who lived two hundred years or more before the True Word teaching was even introduced to China thieves? Are we to put faith in these writings of the Great Teacher Kobo? Or are we to put faith in the Nirvana Sutra where the Buddha likens the Lotus Sutra to ghee?

If we are to regard the Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai as a thief, then how are we to interpret this passage in the Nirvana Sutra? And if we accept the passage in the Nirvana Sutra as reliable and conclude that the writings of Kobo (Nichikan) are incorrect, then what are we to think of people who put faith in such erroneous teachings? All I can say is that one should compare the writings of the Great Teacher Kobo (Nichikan) and the pronouncements of the Buddha, and then put one’s faith in the one that proves to be correct." (On Prayer).

"But those who follow the teachings of Nichiren honestly discard the mistaken doctrines of the provisional teachings and the incorrect theories of the mistaken teachers, and, with all sincerity, put their faith in the correct teaching and the correct doctrines of the correct teacher. Accordingly they are able to gain the lotus of the entity and to manifest the mystic principle of the entity of the Land of Eternally Tranquil Light. This is because they put their faith in the golden words of the Buddha indicated in the “Life Span” chapter of the essential teaching and chant Namu-myoho-renge-kyo."(Entity of the Mystic Law)

Since the SGI fails, on this one vital criteria of putting "their faith in the golden words of the Buddha indicated in the “Life Span” chapter of the essential teaching", their land is the land of devils and hardships and not the Land of Eternally Quiescent Light. Wherever the teachings of the SGI spread, the people suffer and more tragedies and calamities occur. On the other hand, even one true practicer of the Lotus Sutra in a city or a country will bring good fortune and peace to the people.

Nichikan also wrote:

"The three groups of shomon disciples
accumulated good fortune since sanzen
jintengo [before being guaranteed
enlightenment), and those who received
the seed and reached enlightenment on
hearing the first chapter of the Lotus
Sutra accumulated good fortune since
Gohyaku jintengo. How possibly could
those who first received the seed during
the lifetime of the Buddha all without
exception achieve enlightenment in a
mere two-thousand years? [They
couldn't!] The reason is this: the
effectiveness of Shakyamuni's teachings
begins at Kuon Ganjo, but ends with the
two-thousand years of the Former and
Middle Days of the Law. ... Therefore
the people of the Latter Day of the Law
all innately have yet to possess the seed
and so are of the capacity to receive the
original seed of enlightenment directly."
(Rokkan-sho, p.110)

Who can understand such nonsense? He is like SGI leaders. Nichikan just makes things up out of thin air. What ever pops into his head he writes and calls it the True Teachings. Nichiren says about such men who fail to preach with Sutra in hand, even though they be great bodhisattvas, don't listen to them. Nichikan wasn't even a Bodhisattva. He was a madman and he inscribed the Gohonzon to which SGI members fuse. How could every last member of the SGI fail to become a madman? Here is more proof.

Nichikan writes in his Montei Hichin-Sho ["The Teachings Hidden in the Depths of the Text"]:

"Therefore know this: *"One of Perfect Freedom"* is His true state (honchi). Bodhisattva Jogyo is His transient reflection. And Nichiren is the manifestation of His true state (kenpon).

Nichiren Daishonin never revealed it and he never held back anything. Nichiren Shonin teaches that his true identity is that of Jogyo and hidden in the depths of the Juryohon is that he, as well as we, are Three Bodied Tathagatas, one with the Original Eternal Buddha Shakyamuni, our original teacher.

The Juryo (16) and Jinriki Chapters (21) of the Lotus Sutra and the Goshos, the Entity of the Mystic Law (Totaigi Sho), The Opening of the Eyes, The True Object of Worship, and Repaying Debts of Gratitude, explain why the Nichikan Gohonzon is a demon infested condition for the ruin of the individual, the nation, and the world.

"I likewise am the Father of the World,
The One who saves
from the various sufferings and travails" (Lotus Sutra Chapter 16)

"At that time the Buddha spoke to Superior Practices and the others in the great assembly of bodhisattvas, saying: "The supernatural powers of the Buddhas, as you have seen, are immeasurable, boundless, inconceivable. If in the process of entrusting this sutra to others I were to employ these supernatural powers for a immeasurable, boundless hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions of asamkhya kalpas to describe the benefits of the sutra, I could never finish doing so. To put it briefly, all the doctrines possessed by the Thus Come One, the storehouse of all the secret essentials of the Thus Come One - all these are proclaimed, revealed, and clearly expounded in this sutra. (Lotus Sutra Chapter 21)

Nichiren comments on this passage:

Answer: In this passage, Shakyamuni Buddha explains that he is entrusting to the Bodhisattvas of the Earth, his original disciples, the five characters of Myoho-renge-kyo, which is the essence of the Lotus Sutra. Shakyamuni, who attained enlightenment countless kalpas in the past, says elsewhere, "By now the original vows that I made have already been fulfilled. I have converted all living beings and caused them all to enter the Buddha way." Thus, he has already fulfilled his earlier vow. Then, intending to charge his disciples with the task of accomplishing widespread propagation in the fifth five hundred years after his death," he called forth the Bodhisattvas of the Earth and entrusted them with the heart of the sutra, the lotus of the entity of the essential teaching. This passage represents the ultimate purpose for which Shakyamuni Buddha appeared in the world, the secret Law that he attained in the place of meditation. It is this passage that gives proof of the lotus of the entity that, for those of us who live in the Latter Day of the Law, assures the attainment of Buddhahood in both the present and future."

Accordingly, at the present time in the Latter Day of the Law, other than the envoy of the Thus Come One, there can be no one who understands and produces this passage as proof of the lotus of the entity. Truly it is a passage of secret meaning. Truly it is a matter of great concern. Truly it is to be honored and admired. Namu-myoho-renge-kyo, Namu-myoho-renge-kyo!" (Entity of the Mystic Law)

Answer: 'One: Japan and so on to the whole of Jambudvipa should uniformly take the Master of teachings Lord Shakya of the Original Doctrine as the Object of Worship." (Repaying Debts of Gratitude)

Now, when the Eternal Buddha was revealed in the essential section of the Lotus Sutra, this world of endurance (Saha-world) became the Eternal Pure Land, indestructible even by the three calamities of conflagration, flooding, and strong winds, which are said to destroy the world. It transcends the four periods of cosmic change: the kalpa of construction, continuance, destruction and emptiness. Sakyamuni Buddha, the Lord-preacher of this pure land, has never died in the past, nor will He be born in the future. He exists forever throughout the past present and future. All those who receive His guidance are one with this Eternal Buddha. (Opening of the Eyes)

In the same chapter, another passage reads: ‘The duration of My Life, which I obtained through the practice of the way of bodhisattvas, has not yet expired. It is twice as long as the length of time stated above: 500 dust-particle kalpa.’ This reveals the bodhisattva realm within our minds. The bodhisattvas described in the fifteenth chapter, ‘Appearance of Bodhisattvas from Underground,’ who have sprung out of the great earth, as numerous as the number of dust-particles of 1,000 worlds, are followers of the Original Buddha Sakyamuni who resides within our minds." (The True Object of Worship)

Nichikan asked us to abandon Shakyamuni Buddha and the Lotus Sutra. This is the purport of his Object of Worship. The Nichikan Gohonzon is neither based on the Lotus Sutra (Myoho renge kyo) nor on Shakyamuni Buddha of the Juryo Chapter of the Lotus Sutra. It is not based on the teachings of Nichiren Daishonin. Chanting to this Gohonzon is as if you were to take and revere the offering of a sumptuous meal from the murderer of your parents or praising the one who has kidnapped your child. You along with the offender (Nichikan) will both fall into the Lower Realms and the Sutra's promise of peace and security in this life and a fortunate birth in the next will allude you.

Further Proof of my assertion is the fact that SGI would take up this Gohonzon as their banner of propagation in the first place; the bizarre worldview of the SGI where Daisaku Ikeda is revered and praised at the expense of the Sutra, the Buddha, and Nichiren Daishonin; the misfortune that invariably befalls its leaders; and the lack of insight of the general members.

If you send me your Nichikan or Nichinyo Gohonzon, we will see to it that it is burned respectfully as an offering to Devedatta, the Ten Demon Daughters, the Lotus Sutra, and Shakyamuni Buddha or you may burn it yourself while reciting the Daimoku and the Jiga-ge for the repose of Nichikan, the greatest destroyer of Buddhism in human history

"Such is my humble opinion. I leave it to others to accept or reject it.” — ibid
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illarraza wrote:http://www.sgi-usa.org/memberresources/ ... honzon.php

The SGI Gohonzon is NOT a Ten World Gohonzon. Devedatta and the Nijo disciples are absent.

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What is a ten world Gohonzon, and could you give a link maybe via this link and show me one please.

http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/GohonzonShu/001.html
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Minobu wrote:
illarraza wrote:http://www.sgi-usa.org/memberresources/ ... honzon.php

The SGI Gohonzon is NOT a Ten World Gohonzon. Devedatta and the Nijo disciples are absent.

illarraza
What is a ten world Gohonzon, and could you give a link maybe via this link and show me one please.

http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/GohonzonShu/001.html
Hello,

A "Ten-World Gohonzon" is a Mandala Gohonzon which includes representations of all ten worlds.
About the ten worlds: http://www.nichiren-shu.org.uk/march09newsletter.html

From the site you referenced, see for example http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/GohonzonShu/081.html .

You can see how the ten worlds are represented on that Mandara Gohonzon here: https://youtu.be/fdCX1Llvp0E?t=19m30s

Gassho.
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Minobu wrote:
illarraza wrote:http://www.sgi-usa.org/memberresources/ ... honzon.php

The SGI Gohonzon is NOT a Ten World Gohonzon. Devedatta and the Nijo disciples are absent.

illarraza
What is a ten world Gohonzon, and could you give a link maybe via this link and show me one please.

http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/GohonzonShu/001.html
Hello,

A "Ten-World Gohonzon" is a Mandala Gohonzon which includes representations of all ten worlds.
About the ten worlds: http://www.nichiren-shu.org.uk/march09newsletter.html

From the site you referenced, see for example http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/GohonzonShu/081.html .

You can see how the ten worlds are represented on that Mandara Gohonzon here: https://youtu.be/fdCX1Llvp0E?t=19m30s

Gassho.
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I do';t get the PM function privilege as of yet but if you are, I sent a big hello from Rev. Kanto to you a few years back
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Are you Ben?
I do';t get the PM function privilege as of yet but if you are, I sent a big hello from Rev. Kanto to you a few years back
Hi!

Yes, I was Ben when I was a layperson. I think I remember - did you see him at a funeral in Canada? I'll send you a PM...

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KanseCapon wrote:
Are you Ben?
I do';t get the PM function privilege as of yet but if you are, I sent a big hello from Rev. Kanto to you a few years back
Hi!

Yes, I was Ben when I was a layperson. I think I remember - did you see him at a funeral in Canada? I'll send you a PM...

Gassho.
Yes it is "THAT GUY"!!!! lol
I lost a lot of forum stuff due to a yahoo mail problem many years back. I have tried in vain to get back my old registration stuff here so i created a new moniker Minobu, which reflects the way I feel quite nicely.


I was not practising any Buddhist practices at all when i met the Reverend.

I was mystified i was attending a Nichiren Shu funeral at the time. How is this possible? How did this weave into my life.

Then at the wake I was talking to him and instantly liked the man.

I did not chant at the funeral and now I am sorry, but my life .....well....long story....

I'm glad you are here Kanse Capon when I have the privilege of pm's i will get in touch.

In keeping with this thread I would like to ask you a question regarding the Nichiren Shoshu Gohonzon SGI one as well.

It was a Nichiren ShoShu priest who inscribed the two verses beside the Four Bodhisatvas and Two Buddhas on Gohonzon .

One is about protection by hurting anyone who causes harm or grief to a believer the other is a bestowal of benefits.

I don't know the exact verses but you know what i am talking about.

Apparently according to Robin Beck at
http://fraughtwithperil.com/rbeck/2005/ ... -gohonzon/

He said it was also on the Gohonzon bestowed upon by Nichiren Shonin to Nichimoku Shonin but not in the same area.
That Gohonzon is the only one with a reversal of the Aizen seed syllable Fugen seed syllable, it change sides. it is supposed to be authentic Nichiren Shonin work.

http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/GohonzonShu/060.html


Any way ...On the Nichiren Shu Gohonzon we only have "Stuff" to influence good , i'm not comfortable in developing any sort of curse thing inside me.

What brought me back to this state of my practice was the realization that Master Nichiren Shonin left the world a complete Buddhist practice to develop inside us all we need for enlightenment, attain the path , learn, ...by way of developing the traits we need .

Somewhere Nichiren Shonin said if you want something to have the opening of the eye (really bad memory on this) or if you want some Buddha image to be endowed ( again it's vague) ...then place the Lotus Sutra in front of it. does this ring a bell?

Anyway when we sit in front of an Authentic Gohonzon we are sitting in front of the Lotus sutra and this is happening.

I realize that somewhere in the Lotus sutra it does state that those that harm a practioner we get bad results and those that help will get good...

thats cool i get it.. but I don't want to develop this curse thing...let the cards lay where they will ...and the universe will take care of it.


back in the day when i practised with SGI i did notice anyone who messed up my life received retribution, it might have taken five years but in those cases when i heard the news...i was saddened and blamed myself somehow and prayed hard for those people. I do not want to be the cause for harming anyone or develop curses that do that. Again ..ya ..karma is karma and one should not cause rifts or harm others and karma will reattribute.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE THAT INSTRUMENT .

Also if these words upset anyone , sorry ..it's just what is turning round my head.







here is another note of interest about the SGI Gohonzon.
http://fraughtwithperil.com/rbeck/2005/ ... memoranda/


nuff said.
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Hi Dave,

Nice to see you again!

Sorry it’s taken me a few days to reply to your post.


About the phrases known as the “curse and blessing” phrases, which I understand are inscribed on Gohonzon in Nichiren Shoshu, actually these phrases appear on eight of the Gohonzons written by Nichiren Shonin which are still in existence.

(In the Gohonzon-shu they are on the Gohonzon inscribed on number 60, as you mentioned, as well as numbers 53, 54, 57, 59, 61, 65 and 67)

Nichiren Shonin inscribed the Mandala Gohonzon to show the world of the Lotus Sutra, and also it shows the truth which he realised, or became enlightened to - the world of enlightenment as he viewed it. However, he also sometimes added quotations from the Lotus Sutra or Nirvana Sutra or from Tiantai Zhiyi (Tendai Daishi). This is similar to Lotus Sutra artwork which existed earlier in history, which often had some phrases of text included within the artwork.

Depending on the recipient, he sometimes included phrases which were relevant to his follower’s situations, in order to encourage them, or give an explanation or emphasise a particular teaching for them. For example, on the “Prayer Gohonzon” he included phrases mentioning the power of the Lotus Sutra in for healing our illnesses.

( http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/GohonzonShu/037.html)

In the case of the “curse and blessing” phrases being included, we should try to understand Nichiren Shonin’s intention. As you mentioned, one of the phrases included mentions people’s head being split into seven pieces, which comes originally from Chapter 26 of the Lotus Sutra:

“Anyone who does not keep our spells
But troubles the expounder of the Dharma
Shall have his head split into seven pieces
Just as the branches of the arjaka-tree [are split].”
(Murano, p.329)

Does that mean that we should wish such a thing to happen to people? Or be happy that because of us, other people will suffer? Of course not. That is not Buddhism, and certainly not what Nichiren Shonin taught. If we were to make such a curse, sooner or later, it would come back around to haunt us.

So, within the “curse and blessing” phrases, there are four phrases, two which talk about the merits of upholding the sutra, and two which talk of the negative consequences of causing trouble for others and those who hold to the values and principles of the Lotus Sutra. We should think of the time and situation of Nichiren Shonin’s believers. Some honest followers faithfully devoted themselves to the Lotus Sutra, and yet faced many difficulties.

In such circumstances, it is natural for us to think, “I live my life based on Buddhism and the Lotus Sutra, which teaches that all people have the potential to become Buddhas, so I try to respect all people, not to cause others harm, and to help other people around me. Despite this, I face many difficulties and criticisms. Other people on the other hand, who slander, and cheat and do many other bad things, seem to be enjoying more comfortable lives.”


For the believer, the phrases talking about blessings can give encouragement that despite the difficulties they may presently be facing, by living their lives skilfully based on Buddhism and the Lotus Sutra in particular, they are sure to have positive results in the future, and their practice will have a huge positive effect in the future. So, that means such people shouldn’t give up, and should be encouraged because of those positive words.

Also, the inclusion of the descriptions of people attacking the values and teachings of Buddhism, and living in opposition to its principles teaches that despite people making bad causes and seemingly getting away with it at the moment, sooner or later, unfortunately, their actions will have consequences which will invite suffering into their lives in the future. These phrases remind us not to only think of ourselves and ignore these people, but that we should always think of others as well and have compassion for them, and therefore we should pray that at least a bit of their future suffering will be lessened by the merit we can offer them from our chanting.

By including these phrases on those eight Mandala Gohonzons, Nichiren Shonin wanted to emphasise this teaching. I believe that was his intention.
That Gohonzon is the only one with a reversal of the Aizen seed syllable Fugen seed syllable, it change sides. it is supposed to be authentic Nichiren Shonin work
As an interesting side note, there are actually two existing Nichiren Shonin's Gohonzons where the Aizen and Fudo syllables are inverted - the one you mentioned written in the 2nd month of Kōan (1279), and also one written earlier, on the 16th day of sixth month of Bun’nei (1272) - number 2 at the coffeehouse website.

http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/GohonzonShu/002.html

There is also one which has hūṃ (the seed syllable for Aizen) on both sides, written in the 4th month of Koan 4 (1281) - Yamanaka no. 107
Lucia Dolce talks about this in her PhD thesis. Scholars don't seem to know the reason for it.
Anyway when we sit in front of an Authentic Gohonzon we are sitting in front of the Lotus sutra and this is happening.
Yes exactly. When we chant in front of the Gohonzon, we are able to take part in the Ceremony in the Air which happens in the Lotus Sutra, and receive the Buddha's teaching. The Gohonzon shows us the world of the Lotus Sutra.

Gassho,
Kanse.
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KanseCapon wrote:Hi Dave,

Nice to see you again!

The Gohonzon shows us the world of the Lotus Sutra.

Gassho,
Kanse.
Man it's nice to hear from you and thank you so much for clarifying this . It's been a stone in my shoe since I read about it recently.

I would like to thank you soooo much for doing what you have done with your life ,for yourself of course , but selfishly i rejoice we have you in this state.
Man!!! one of those moments where all the hair stands up on my body!!
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