Lord Buddha Nagarjuna Reality or myth.

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Lord Buddha Nagarjuna Reality or myth.

Postby Minobu » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:03 pm

There is a bit of a bother going on in my head about Lord Buddha Nagarjuna .

some say he is not a Buddha and that it is merely a label imputed upon Him.
Some say He never lived nine hundred years.

Some come to terms with the age factor by saying there are two Nagarjunas.
How can they be comfortable with that and not the other.

both of which i believe face the obvious possibility of being wrong.

Did He actually retrieve The Lotus Sutra or produce it .
If produced was it a genuine Dharma Kaya Mahayana Teaching as i understand Mahayana Teachings, to be produced after the Historic Buddha's passing, of entering Nirvana.


For me ,I like things a little more lucid , even if they sound far fetched to the mundane self. Faith is understandable , but it should at least be directed at a Truth, whether perceived or not.

To me at my juncture of practice i see a lineage leading to Buddhahood for the common mortal in an age of Dharma Decline.
That being the teachings of Nichiren Shonin.

It starts historically with Lord Buddha Nagarjuna, picked up and polished by Tien Tai The Great and finally handed down for world wide consumption by Nichiren Shonin.
I say consumption for I see as late that all spiritual practice in this age of decline is one of consumption , like any other aspect of human endeavour at this juncture in our legacy and history.

I guess the whole thing goes out the window if one does not believe we are in an age of Decline in regards to all Dharma .

I love the forum for it brings out all forms of angles i never thought of or as this thread states in OP , creates a dilemma in my mindstream ....with the possibility it is also produced in others.

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Postby Dharmic » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:01 am

Hi Minobu,

I read that there were two or more persons named Nāgārjuna. All these persons having the same name - Nāgārjuna, wrote many different works.When biographies were being produced long time later some people got confused and assumed that the diverse works by various Nāgārjunas were written by the famous Master who lived between circa 150 CE - 250 CE near .

(Pages 15 - 27) is a biography of Ārya Nāgārjuna translated by Kumārajīva (334 CE - 413 CE).

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Postby Coëmgenu » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:15 am

The Life of Nágárjuna (Lhudrub Nyingpo?) seems like it might be one early literary attestation of the story of Nágárjuna receiving the Prajñápáramitásútráni (not the Lotus Sútra, oddly enough) from the realm of the Nagas.

The language of myth is obscure and hidden. The Lhudrub Nyingpo is by the Venerable Thrangu Rinpoche, I do not know who he is or when he dates from, his book could be new for all I know.

Consider, the nagas are traditionally the guardians of (hidden) knowledge in Near Eastern as well as Indian mytho-history (the serpent in the garden of Eden, believed by the Gnostics to be the "true God", as opposed by the evil vain God of the Old Testament, or the serpent who eats the knowledge of the cultivation of the tree of life in the Epic of Gilgamesh).

From what ocean did Nágárjuna emerge after alleged communion with the Nagas? "Ocean" means many things in Buddhism. We call the Dalai Lama the "Ocean of Wisdom" do we not?

A little bit of a vague post, but hopefully at least the OP enjoys reading it.

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Postby Queequeg » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:50 pm

In East Asia which hosted a form of Mahayana that branched off of Indian Buddhism earlier than the Mahayana that spread to the Tibetan world, Nagarjuna was not 900 years old. I suspect there was no need for this kind of story because the more recent stuff attributed to Nagarjuna did not spread there. Then again, maybe East Asia just missed out on the later Nagarjuna work.
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Postby odysseus » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:04 am

I don't believe he lived for 900 years, but yes, Nagarjuna is a real Buddhist saint. His contribution is great.
Disclaimer: I'm not a Buddhist teacher, I speak only from my own understanding. I cannot teach, but I can preach so don't preach to me.

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