Amitabha and the Hidden History of Man

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Amitabha and the Hidden History of Man

Postby Dharma Flower » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:52 pm

According to the standard Big Bang model, the universe began about 14 billion years ago, which would make the universe vastly younger than the ten kalpas that's passed since Amitabha attained Buddhahood. According to the Agganna Sutra, the universe has been eternally contracting and expanding. This raises an interesting question, what if the Buddha is correct and modern science is incorrect on this matter?

If we are going to consider this possibility, that Amitabha attained Buddhahood vastly sooner than the Big Bang was supposed to have occurred, then perhaps we should look at the rest of the Agganna Sutra as well, which also explains the origin of human beings.

According to the Agganna Sutra, humans devolved from higher beings rather than evolving from lower creatures:
http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/AggannaSutta.pdf

This raises an interesting point, that for the sake of consistency, we would take the Buddha's words on human origins literally if we were to take his words on the age of the universe literally as well. This might go against the prevailing scientific theory, but we should also keep in mind that one's interpretation of the available evidence is determined by the presuppositions one brings to the table.

In Forbidden Archeology, Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson documented dozens of cases from mainstream scientific literature in which human tools and skeletal remains were found millions of years deeper into the fossil record than where they belong according to a Darwinian timeline:
http://www.krishnapath.org/library/vedi ... -download/

The reason why I am sharing this is that maybe it's easier to believe the Buddha's description of Amitabha's attainment of Buddhahood, kalpas before the Big Bang is supposed to have occurred, if one also believes the Buddha's description for the origin of mankind. This is because the Buddha explains both the origin of humanity and the vast antiquity of the universe in the Agganna Sutta.

If we take the Buddha's description of the universe's antiquity as literally true, why not take his description of human origins and our species' extreme antiquity as literally true as well? The Buddhist scriptures describe not only the process by which our species originated, but they also describe human history on this planet going back millions and millions of years before the evolutionary timeline would allow.

Perhaps if we take the evidence provided by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson into account, then perhaps these things will more easily fall into place in our minds.

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Re: Amitabha and the Hidden History of Man

Postby Dharma Flower » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:25 am

Some may not feel readily comfortable with aspects of traditional Buddhist teachings, such as humanity having a supernatural origin or the need for us to accept the saving grace of a Buddha or Bodhisattva, because these doctrines seem too similar to theistic religions. It's good, however, if we at least temporarily remove our Western and modern preconceptions and let the traditional Buddhist teachings speak for themselves.

The teachings only seem like theistic religion to us because that's the environment in which we've been raised. We need to remind ourselves that Buddhism is an ancient religion that existed before the theistic religions well-known in the West even began.

If Buddhism is the truth and we are meant to seek Amitabha for our salvation, and if we did originate from a non-material process of devolution, then it shouldn't surprise us that similarities to these teachings occur in other religions.

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Re: Amitabha and the Hidden History of Man

Postby Dharma Flower » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:41 am

After reading the Agganna Sutta with an open mind, I came to the realization that Amida is a real Buddha, because it allowed my metaphysical blinders to be lifted. There is no doubt in my mind now that, if Shakyamuni was a true teacher, then Amida is a real Buddha. What is the point of following the Buddha at all if we are going to settle for half-measures, instead of listening to the Buddha with an open mind, entrusting in his enlightenment?

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Re: Amitabha and the Hidden History of Man

Postby Dharma Flower » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:39 am

The reason why I am sharing these things on this forum is to help others feel better who may have been made to feel inferior or stupid because they trusted the Buddha's words in the sutras. I have no reason to argue with others whatsoever, since our individual beliefs are determined by our karma. If I can help people feel better about themselves, feel encouraged after being made fun of or ridiculed for trusting in the Buddha's teachings, then so be it. It doesn't bother me whatsoever if people disagree with something, because I am not attached to any particular outcome. I just want different kinds of people and different points of view to feel respected.

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Re: Amitabha and the Hidden History of Man

Postby Dharma Flower » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:58 am

This is a beautiful animated version of the Infinite Life Sutra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTASgrY-KpM

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Re: Amitabha and the Hidden History of Man

Postby byrneklay » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:15 am

If we try to explain these matters with this sort of rigid calculating logic we will eventually come upon a contradiction we can't rationalize our way out of. In an immeasurable universe, what we are looking for will eventually present itself if we keep going. But be careful. What we find may only be our own delusions and not the true Dharma.

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Re: Amitabha and the Hidden History of Man

Postby shaunc » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:32 am

Thanks for all of your posts dharma flower. You certainly know how to stir the pot with some controversial posts.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it generally accepted in Buddhist circles that no one really knows how long a kalpa or an eon is.
If this is correct we can't say whether 10 kalpas is more, less or equal to 14 billion years.
Good luck and best wishes.
Namu Amida Butsu.
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Re: Amitabha and the Hidden History of Man

Postby Lucas Oliveira » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:47 am

Assu Sutta: Tears

At Savatthi. There the Blessed One said: "From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. What do you think, monks: Which is greater, the tears you have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — or the water in the four great oceans?"

"As we understand the Dhamma taught to us by the Blessed One, this is the greater: the tears we have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — not the water in the four great oceans."

"Excellent, monks. Excellent. It is excellent that you thus understand the Dhamma taught by me.

"This is the greater: the tears you have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — not the water in the four great oceans.

"Long have you (repeatedly) experienced the death of a mother. The tears you have shed over the death of a mother while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — are greater than the water in the four great oceans.

"Long have you (repeatedly) experienced the death of a father... the death of a brother... the death of a sister... the death of a son... the death of a daughter... loss with regard to relatives... loss with regard to wealth... loss with regard to disease. The tears you have shed over loss with regard to disease while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — are greater than the water in the four great oceans.

"Why is that? From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. Long have you thus experienced stress, experienced pain, experienced loss, swelling the cemeteries — enough to become disenchanted with all fabricated things, enough to become dispassionate, enough to be released."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn15/sn15.003.than.html


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Re: Amitabha and the Hidden History of Man

Postby Lucas Oliveira » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:54 am

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