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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

Postby Grigoris » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:55 am

It seems to me that you are "arguing" merely for the sake of arguing, so I am going to end our discussion here.
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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

Postby Sara H » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:06 am

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
OR
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

Postby Sara H » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:21 am

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
OR
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

Postby Sara H » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:41 am

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
OR
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

Postby shel » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:17 am

For the more subtle cultural points that are easily misunderstood, I offer this slide to the PowerPoint presentation:






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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

Postby Grigoris » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:14 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

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Profile Picture: "The Foaming Monk"
The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Original painting by P.Volker /used by permission.

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

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Profile Picture: "The Foaming Monk"
The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Original painting by P.Volker /used by permission.

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:51 pm

This link was working, then it wasn't. but it seems to pertain to the topic
sexual-misconduct-by-zen-teachers-a-response-from-san-francisco-zen-center
http://blogs.sfzc.org/blog/2013/03/20/s ... en-center/
Profile Picture: "The Foaming Monk"
The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Original painting by P.Volker /used by permission.

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:14 pm

There is a saying,
"a beard is just a beard,
unless it's on the chin of a communist,
and then it suddenly becomes one of those damned communist beards."
This means that a thing is just a thing,
until we can tag it onto something else,
usually something we have a problem with,
and then it becomes a specific characteristic of whatever we tag it to.
That is faulty reasoning.

My point is that sexual abuse is a big problem
and occurs more often in marital situations than in Sanghas.
But when it happens in a sangha, some people are quick to say
It's a problem with Buddhism.
They say it is an inherent part of the master-pupil structure.
But the same people don't say
domestic abuse, or date-rape
is an inherent part of the heterosexual relationship, of that structure.
There, it is just an abnormality
but otherwise, dating and marriage is okay.

So, That is why I think shel's argument is based on faulty reasoning.

(On Greg K., a beard is one of those buddhist beards)
:rolling:
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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Original painting by P.Volker /used by permission.

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

Postby Grigoris » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:43 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

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Re: Article on Sexual Abuse & Harassment in Buddhist Communi

Postby Grigoris » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:46 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde


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