Yale Students sign petition to repeal 1st amendment

[Myoho-Nameless]

I was referring to the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd. conspiracy theories are too big to be realistic and require too much going on perfectly.

Even Palpatine's "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen" was messed up by a bunch of Ewoks.

[Taco_Rice]

I was referring to the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd. conspiracy theories are too big to be realistic and require too much going on perfectly.

Some versions of different conspiracy theories do. Others are more plausible and sometimes turn out to be correct to one degree or another. I find it easier to believe that powerful people do conspire to maintain and bolster their power in an amoral way than that they're all actually really selfless and looking out for the greater good.

Even Palpatine's "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen" was messed up by a bunch of Ewoks.

But was it on the Imperial news? Why do you hate Star Trek?

[Myoho-Nameless]

Some versions of different conspiracy theories do

I am intrigued personally by a theory that JFK's fatal headshot came not from the assassin, but from one of the secret service agents in a car behind him (an accident brought about by the car accelerating while he was standing and prepping his weapon to fire back). There is a documentary on Netflix about it.

Some versions of different conspiracy theories do. Others are more plausible and sometimes turn out to be correct to one degree or another.

Not the massive ones, in the context of this conversation, certainly not "cultural marxism".

I find it easier to believe that powerful people do conspire to maintain and bolster their power in an amoral way than that they're all actually really selfless and looking out for the greater good

I don't find either of these extremes particularly plausible. and, like I said, even if the Putins, McCains, Chaney's etc of the world wanted to manipulate the world in such a way espoused by conspiracy theorists. they coudn't, because conspiracies fail more often than not, the larger and more moving parts required for them to function, the more likely failure is.

Even Palpatine's "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen" was messed up by a bunch of Ewoks.

But was it on the Imperial news? Why do you hate Star Trek?

I don't. I just prefer fantasy over sci fi. The aliens look better too. recipe for Star Trek alien: take human, mess up forehead. Done.

[Taco_Rice]

I find it easier to believe that powerful people do conspire to maintain and bolster their power in an amoral way than that they're all actually really selfless and looking out for the greater good

I don't find either of these extremes particularly plausible. and, like I said, even if the Putins, McCains, Chaney's etc of the world wanted to manipulate the world in such a way espoused by conspiracy theorists. they coudn't, because conspiracies fail more often than not, the larger and more moving parts required for them to function, the more likely failure is.

... You scurred, brah. "Either of these extremes." Pff. You underestimate the power of intimidation and of, well, power, over what information is deemed legitimate and what is not. I'm not saying Illuminati reptilians like Hillary or Malcolm are pulling the real levers of power in the world, behind the scenes, as they savor human flesh and cheer on the Kardashians, but that doesn't mean that certain agendas aren't humming quietly in the background of our everyday lives. I vaguely remember listening to something on NPR about how large companies did research to find out the best way to get their policies put into law and found that the best way was to have them passed by influencing individual politicians since, once the laws were already in place, it would be unlikely that average people would be motivated to have them repealed. This is a conspiracy against the public interest—it's the way things are increasingly working in the US, the way they worked in the past, and the way they still work in the third world. What gets labeled as a "conspiracy theory" are usually the more outlandish or provocative claims. It's also a label that can be used to deny credibility and legitimacy to problematic exposure.

I don't know about 9/11 being an inside job, but I know that there were no WMDs and that "finding Osama" wasn't much of a priority. As far as "cultural Marxism," even if it isn't anymore Marxist than some burgers are cow, it's still something regardless of its exact ideological pedigree.

[Myoho-Nameless]

but that doesn't mean that certain agendas aren't humming quietly in the background of our everyday lives. I vaguely remember listening to something on NPR about how large companies did research to find out the best way to get their policies put into law and found that the best way was to have them passed by influencing individual politicians since, once the laws were already in place, it would be unlikely that average people would be motivated to have them repealed. This is a conspiracy against the public interest—it's the way things are increasingly working in the US, the way they worked in the past, and the way they still work in the third world. What gets labeled as a "conspiracy theory" are usually the more outlandish or provocative claims. It's also a label that can be used to deny credibility and legitimacy to problematic exposure.

actually, I more or less agree with you here. don't think I don't care about being spied on. "If you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of?". Its MY nothing and I want it hidden. those people....$%#@ them for even asking.

As far as "cultural Marxism," even if it isn't anymore Marxist than some burgers are cow, it's still something regardless of its exact ideological pedigree.

Yes, it is a thing. It is a social trend. I think these classes of people are the result of what you called "the Gods" in the other thread. trends and forces.

its not a conspiracy of elites trying to control society.

[skittles]

Have any of you considered that these so called "elite" are actually selected from the general population and placed into elevated positions because of the "ease of handling" of their parents and the assumption that these traits of heirarchy submission are either genetically or culturally passed to their offspring?

A plantation of slaves can't exist without slave drivers who are just stupid enough to betray their own interests and just smart enough to manage the other slaves.

That being said, US Universities are a dangerous place to speak freely. People from families that use their money and influence to destroy people that cross them know better than poor people that if you upset the wrong people your life can be ruined. It's all very cloak and dagger. But cloak and dagger is time consuming. Wouldn't it be easier if freedom of speech was gone and you could put people in jail for speaking about your faults? One of the first things I learned as an adult is that poor people can't afford legal represenation and therefore most laws do not apply if the victim is poor or the defendant is rich.

[Myoho-Nameless]

Have any of you considered that these so called "elite" are actually selected from the general population and placed into elevated positions because of the "ease of handling" of their parents and the assumption that these traits of heirarchy submission are either genetically or culturally passed to their offspring?

We get the State we merit, I guess you could say.

We live in interesting times. The video that was brought about for this thread may or may not have been staged, but I notice people are quite quick to dismiss something because its from some sort of "right wing" media. Which is really the same as dismissing "the liberal media". No, I don't watch Fox News, my tastes in porn disqualify me from that.

unfortunately, new years bring changes, and as a result I am experiencing carb withdrawal and must bow out of these conversations on account of my feeling poorly and the brain fog that results.

[Taco_Rice]

Have any of you considered that these so called "elite" are actually selected from the general population and placed into elevated positions because of the "ease of handling" of their parents and the assumption that these traits of heirarchy submission are either genetically or culturally passed to their offspring?

By Ishmael, I think you might be onto something! Perhaps the meek (but authoritarian) do inherit the Earth.

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[Taco_Rice]

Yes, it is a thing. It is a social trend. I think these classes of people are the result of what you called "the Gods" in the other thread. trends and forces.

Part but not all.

its not a conspiracy of elites trying to control society.

It's a condition in society that affects how influence is garnered and distributed—and that condition can be perpetuated or dissolved like humidity in a greenhouse by those with access to the right controls. Just like plants, there are some causes and groups that will thrive in the conditions of a "Whinocracy" more than others, while others still will wilt.

The video posted really seems to be making fun of these students for being so enthralled in their victimology that they're willing to unwittingly unravel part of the legal foundation for achieving their ends. What this demonstrates is that you don't need the kind of secret agendas at work that make up outlandish "conspiracy theories" in order for even educated individuals to go hard at work undermining their own long term well being, that of their children, of society, and maybe even of civilization itself. Most people just don't know where their own buttons are at—but some do.