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Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:15 pm

I don't mean to upset people with this post at all. But lately it came to me that Buddha had taught Dharma for 49 years of his life, but he never claimed that what he taught came from him. Today, there are Dharma books that have personal copyrights that require permission from the publishers or writers for redistribution. Should Dharma teachings be freely available to all sentient beings? Please shed some lights and share your thoughts.

Keep in mind that I am not saying copyrighted Dharma books are not helpful. I hope I am not upsetting anyone.

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:28 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:31 pm

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Bodhidharma [my translation]
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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:33 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:35 pm

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Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:41 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:44 pm

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Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:46 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:50 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
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NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby Astus » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:04 pm

You can teach a group of people from any book you like, and spread the understanding you gained from books. But, you are not allowed to sell the books under your name for instance.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:09 pm

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby Lobsang Damchoi » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:42 pm

This is actually a rather complicated question. To clarify the issues, let's please disregard (for this discussion) the example of oral teachings. I dont think it's a valid comparison, because of the expenses involved in making books, and for other reasons.

A dharma book contains more than just the basic teachings or a traditional text: there's the art work, the notes and other study aids, historical background material and often indexing. There's also contemporary commentaries on the teachings--explanations which update the teachings and help us understand better. Books also have to be printed and bound. All these services don't come free and they need to be done by professionals (but not necessarily by dharma teachers). The more attractive the total "package" the costlier it is to produce.

Copyright protects intellectual property -- original creative work, fiction, non-fiction, artistic -- that is not part of the public domain. After a certain number of years everything becomes public domain. This helps to insure that the contemporary writer, translator, editor or artist gets some compensation for his original work.

Other folks would know better, but I imagine that dharma teachers and translators get relatively little for their labors. With so much excellent dharma material available free on the internet (oral and written), it's hard for me to understand the resistance to copyright--is it a cost issue? A matter of principle? Something else?

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:59 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
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NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby Astus » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:48 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby LastLegend » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:26 am

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NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby LastLegend » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:57 am

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NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby Nemo » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:19 am

Copyright never existed until very recently. For most of history the concept that you could turn ideas into property was not even considered. Ironically it was invented to foster innovation and protect the public from predatory business practices. While now it is often used to stifle it and legally enforce the monopolistic business practices of corporations.

Nothing the Buddha wrote is copyrighted. Allowing translations of someone else's public domain work to be copyrighted is a legal courtesy(not a right) as none of the ideas are original. Life of the author plus 50 is fair I think. That keeps the balance between the public good and the authors need to make a living.

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Re: Copyrighted Dharma books

Postby purple rose » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:36 am

Not sure if this is particularly relevant but here is a wiki page which covers the which some may find interesting.

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Postby Indrajala » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:02 am

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