Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western Zen

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Postby Simon E. » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:57 am

In the UK there is a body called the British Medical Council, this is the body that holds the register of those who are legally able to operate as medical doctors.
From time to time people on that register are found to be sexual predators. In one case they were found to be a mass murderer.
However that does not undermine the legitimate nature of the B.M.C. Or reflect on its essential role.
Despite the fact that it is doctors exclusively who regulate and recognise doctors.
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Postby Sara H » Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:18 am

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
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We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

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Postby Simon E. » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:03 pm

Thats interesting.
So what I take from that is that far from being an imposition of " Christianized thinking " what was occurring within the OBC was a movement back to the Vinaya for monastics.
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Postby Yudron » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:46 pm

On the face of it, it's pretty bizarre for the teacher to send a couple to run a center, then decide years later that it is inappropriate for non-celibate people to teach. Also, pretty bizarre for teachers who were sent to run a branch center, then were "fired" by the head of the central organization, to think they can split off and take the center with them.

Sounds like there is a huge back story to this. Its all pretty unseemly.
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Postby Simon E. » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:54 pm

Well as an interested neutral I am reaching my own conclusions about whose testimony to trust in all this.
I see calmness and fairness pitted against semi-hysterical ranting.
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Postby DGA » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:16 pm

I should add that Sara is correct in stating here and elsewhere that one should not consider only one side of any story as authoritative, Kyogen's or anyone else's.

putting on my moderator's hat: If anyone would like to discuss the specifics around Dharma Rain and its relationship to the OBC, please do so in a separate thread. Thank you.

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Define " Christianized " please.
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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

Postby DGA » Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:32 pm

Ultimately, nothing ever happens or has happened. But in the provisional world of samsara, meaning is made. Events are meaningful. The meaning of events, of situations, is what makes teaching and learning happen, for instance. Upaya is situational.

What is the meaning of Buddha holding up a flower? What is the meaning of the Patriarch's coming from the West?

I'd say that the origins and divisions of sanghas is very meaningful indeed for those involved, and further, that such meaning matters when it comes to practice.

I keep recommending Peter Hershock's book Liberating Intimacy. It makes a strong case for Buddhist conduct, particularly in a Ch'an/Zen milieu, as the basis for practice--and conduct as the practice of making certain kinds of meaning in shared environments. I just reread it recently and I remain impressed by it.

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My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

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