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Re: Advice

Postby florin » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:57 am

"Bow down to me for I thirst for an infinite ocean of blood, since the innumerable torrents of floods at kalpa's end that terrify all world systems do not even wet the tip of my tongue"

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Re: Advice

Postby JKhedrup » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:59 am

Is Shingon not primarily focused on the types of tantras Tibetans would categorize as "Yoga Tantra"?

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Re: Advice

Postby Indrajala » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:05 pm

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Advice

Postby JKhedrup » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:08 pm

Do they have action and performance tantra?

Geshe Sonam's uncle, Khensur Delek who is now the abbot of Sera Jey, is the ex-abbot of the tantric college and has been invited to one of the Shingon monasteries in Japan to give initiations. I will try to find the photos because I'd love to know the name of the monastery.

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Postby Indrajala » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:16 pm

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Advice

Postby JKhedrup » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:23 pm

viewtopic.php?f=65&t=11736

Posted the photos here so as not to derail the thread too much.

Part of the problem might be visa-wise. It is very hard for Tibetans to stay in Japan.

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Re: Advice

Postby Astus » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:31 pm

If you consider Tantra your primary interest you can find Tibetan Vajrayana sources plenty in English. Shingon is a different matter and to pursue it you would soon find the need to learn Japanese because of the lack or English resources, not to mention ordination in Japan. Learning to read the canonical works is the next level. But it's not impossible, there is at least one Westerner who went through with it and he is a Shingon master living in Japan. Tibetan Buddhism is a lot easier path. In terms of ordination, however, if you were serious about becoming a monk, the easiest way is going for Theravada, second best is Taiwan and Korea.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Advice

Postby Konchog1 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:55 pm

I believe it was Principles of Buddhist Tantra by Kirti Tsenshap Rinpoche that said Tibetan Buddhism no longer has any Yoga Tantra lineages and only a couple Charya lineages. Whereas Shingon has both in abundance. Shingon doesn't have HYT. Both sects practice Kriya.
Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Re: Advice

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Re: Advice

Postby Konchog1 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:59 pm

Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats

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Re: Advice

Postby Astus » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:31 pm

There is only one type of inferior tradition in Buddhism and that is what another tradition imagines to be so. Buddhism per definition is the path to liberation, no matter what tradition. Shingon (and Tendai, another Japanese school that maintains an esoteric tradition) are different from Tibetan Vajrayana in several ways, especially because it is East Asian Mahayana and therefore contains teachings unique to that cultural-religious sphere.

It is an important doctrine of Shingon that one can attain buddhahood in this body (), and you can also read Kukai's short work on it, the . (As a cultural footnote (not to be confused with Kukai's teaching) look at what means.) So, as I said, it is only from the biased interpretation of another tradition that a school is inferior.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Advice

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:37 pm

Since claims of superiority are ubiquitous to every tradition, of everything, everywhere I try to just see them as expressions of enthusiasm:)
"it must be coming from the mouthy mastermind of raunchy rapper, Johnny Dangerous”

-Jeff H.

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Re: Advice

Postby Konchog1 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:54 pm

Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats

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Re: Advice

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:01 pm

"it must be coming from the mouthy mastermind of raunchy rapper, Johnny Dangerous”

-Jeff H.

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Re: Advice

Postby Konchog1 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:36 pm

Don't worry :smile: It wasn't for you, I just figured I should cut everyone off at the pass and make myself clear.
Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats


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