Clouded perception

[avisitor]

A concurrent cause: ie sharing the same object.

Are we now blaming the object??
Or blaming the maker of the object along with the one who takes offence of the object??
You're trying to change the view of the situation which
"Cloud Perceptions"

[Grigoris]

Are we now blaming the object??
Or blaming the maker of the object along with the one who takes offence of the object??
You're trying to change the view of the situation which
"Cloud Perceptions"

Blame? What relation does cause and effect have with the concept of blame.

[dzogchungpa]

Maybe you two should get a room.

BTW, you never asked me why it's better than Hilbert's Hotel.

[krodha]

Maybe you two should get a room.

BTW, you never asked me why it's better than Hilbert's Hotel.

Why is your quaint Bed & Breakfast better than Hilbert's Hotel?

[dzogchungpa]

Why is your quaint Bed & Breakfast better than Hilbert's Hotel?

Because no matter how many guests check in, it's always empty.

[Paul]

Question: How can I exercise Right Speech when I cannot anticipate all possible reactions to what I say?
I do wonder if it is even possible to foresee all the potential consequences of what one says - given that I am not a Buddha - and therefore further wonder if it wouldn't actually be better if I just kept my mouth shut. Much of what gets said (in my life) seems harmless enough, or at least not provcative, but how do I really know if this is the case? How do I know that the ripples spreading from our thoughts through our speech are not having a deleterious effect somewhere? And is this something I should worry about?




First Disclaimer: The more I practice, the less I seem to know.
Second Disclaimer: This is a legitimate question regarding my daily practice.

Try reading through this text by Patrul Rinpoche - it is aimed at all kinds of actions, not just speech.

http://www.zangthal.co.uk/files/Nine_considerations.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[avisitor]

Are we now blaming the object??
Or blaming the maker of the object along with the one who takes offence of the object??
You're trying to change the view of the situation which
"Cloud Perceptions"

Blame? What relation does cause and effect have with the concept of blame.

Blame is to find fault with or to name the cause of something.
Blame, cause or reason for the effect. Granted that the connotations are more negative with the word blame.
You said a concurrent cause: ie sharing the same object
Are you now finding fault with the object??

[Grigoris]

Blame is to find fault with or to name the cause of something.
Blame, cause or reason for the effect. Granted that the connotations are more negative with the word blame.
You said a concurrent cause: ie sharing the same object
Are you now finding fault with the object??

Fault? What does cause and effect have to do with fault?

[krodha]

Why is your quaint Bed & Breakfast better than Hilbert's Hotel?

Because no matter how many guests check in, it's always empty.

[Jesse]

Why is your quaint Bed & Breakfast better than Hilbert's Hotel?

Because no matter how many guests check in, it's always empty.

I hope they serve pancakes.

[avisitor]

Blame is to find fault with or to name the cause of something.
Blame, cause or reason for the effect. Granted that the connotations are more negative with the word blame.
You said a concurrent cause: ie sharing the same object
Are you now finding fault with the object??

Fault? What does cause and effect have to do with fault?

Nice tactics. Keep nitpicking.
I give into your argument for two reasons
1. I don't want to continue arguing or explaining myself to you
2. You're a mod and can take offense and ban me (not what I want)

[Ghid]

My mother watches a television show, Finding Carter, She watched an episode, "Now you see me."

Carter is a high school student, something like me. She has a friend who is an artist. The friend painted Carter's portrait in a Daliesk style in which Carter's left side is rotting like a corpse, and her right side is life like. Carter is so shocked by the hideous portrait that she is brutally (anyone might say Kanteskianly) honest about how she hates to portrait, and she embarrasses her friend when she says so in in public.

Again something like me, the way I have probably annoyed people here on this website.

The friend becomes angry. She photocopies the portrait and plasters the school walls with the image. And so one wrong speech leads to another.

[Johnny Dangerous]

Question: How can I exercise Right Speech when I cannot anticipate all possible reactions to what I say?
I do wonder if it is even possible to foresee all the potential consequences of what one says - given that I am not a Buddha - and therefore further wonder if it wouldn't actually be better if I just kept my mouth shut. Much of what gets said (in my life) seems harmless enough, or at least not provcative, but how do I really know if this is the case? How do I know that the ripples spreading from our thoughts through our speech are not having a deleterious effect somewhere? And is this something I should worry about?




First Disclaimer: The more I practice, the less I seem to know.
Second Disclaimer: This is a legitimate question regarding my daily practice.

Try reading through this text by Patrul Rinpoche - it is aimed at all kinds of actions, not just speech.

http://www.zangthal.co.uk/files/Nine_considerations.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks, this is great!

[Grigoris]

Nice tactics. Keep nitpicking.

It is neither tactics nor nitpicking. Your terminology betrays a misunderstanding of the workings of "cause and effect". Karma has NOTHING to do with fault, blame, defects, imperfections, transgression, etc... Sure there is an ethical characteristic to Buddhism, some actions are considered wholesome, others unwholesome, but this categorisation is based on the objective effect they produce. Karma is about causes, conditions and their effects. There is no reward and punishment there, because there is nobody that rewards and punishes (a God) and ultimately nobody to reward or punish (or blame, or fault), nor any action, nor any effect. ULTIMATELY.

I give into your argument for two reasons
1. I don't want to continue arguing or explaining myself to you

You haven't explained yourself, that is why I asked you twice to do so.

2. You're a mod and can take offense and ban me (not what I want)

Ban you for not understanding? I don't think so. It is not against the Terms of Service. Double-nicking is though (for example ).

[Qing Tian]

Paul, thank you for the link to Patrul Rinpoche. It will take me some time to read and digest this. It is a very kind gift.

[avisitor]

Blame is to find fault with or to name the cause of something.
Blame, cause or reason for the effect. Granted that the connotations are more negative with the word blame.
You said a concurrent cause: ie sharing the same object
Are you now finding fault with the object??

Fault? What does cause and effect have to do with fault?

You ask me to explain my use of blame.
I gave two definitions for blame.
Then, you chose to take the that doesn't relate to our discussion.
It goes to show where your head is at.
Do you really want to school me in the ways of Karma??
If I am wrong then why not just tell us what you believe is right instead of trying to teach or correct my posts or nitpick my posts??

Edit: What you did is a "tactic" whether you believe it so or not.

[Grigoris]

If I am wrong then why not just tell us what you believe is right instead of trying to teach or correct my posts or nitpick my posts??

Refer to this post.

[dzogchungpa]

If I am wrong then why not just tell us what you believe is right instead of trying to teach or correct my posts or nitpick my posts??

Refer to this post.

I've reserved a room for you two here:

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[Grigoris]

Maybe you can stop repeating the same thing over-and-over-again (ie stop being disruptive) and add something useful to the discussion?

Thanks.

[LastLegend]

Clouded perception!