Origin of mankind and animals according Buddhism.

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Re: Origin of mankind and animals according Buddhism.

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Postby Dharma Flower » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:35 am

I'm not sure what more can be said in this thread that hasn't been said already. Unless someone is able to present incontrovertible evidence that humans share a common ancestor with chimps, and reason to believe from within the Agganna Sutta itself as to why Dharma masters throughout history have interpreted it incorrectly, there might not be much more to add. People sometimes just need to agree to disagree.

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Re: Origin of mankind and animals according Buddhism.

Postby Wayfarer » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:44 pm

That book, "Forbidden Archeology", seems a complete crock. It is published by the Krishna Consciousness movement, in support of Hindu creationism. Why it is even being discussed on Dharmawheel beats me. Best to take note of the comment on the homepage, from noted paleo-anthropologist Richard Leakey:

'“Your book is pure humbug and does not deserve to be taken seriously by anyone but a fool”.
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Re: Origin of mankind and animals according Buddhism.

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Postby Dharma Flower » Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:55 am

Please keep in mind that I didn't start this thread to hurt or offend Buddhists who accept the mainstream theory of evolution. My only point was to say that it isn't wrong or unreasonable for a Buddhist to believe the traditional Buddhist understanding of human origins, especially since no witnesses were around at the time who recorded what happened.

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Re: Origin of mankind and animals according Buddhism.

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Re: Origin of mankind and animals according Buddhism.

Postby Anders » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:35 pm

Buddhaghosha is at any rate not normative to Mahayana Buddhism.

And you are extending your argument beyond reason by going on to the topic of world formation.

The fact is we don't have many other scriptures of weight besides the aganna sutta that gives a human creation myth. Which also means it is not a significant topic for Buddhism.
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Re: Origin of mankind and animals according Buddhism.

Postby Dharma Flower » Fri May 26, 2017 6:08 am

I am sorry if I gave a wrong impression that Buddhism is anti-evolution. What I really meant is that, whatever origin there is for humans and other species, it has to take karma into account. What if evolutionary history is determined by karma, rather than natural selection acting on random mutations?


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