Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Simon E. » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:52 pm

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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Wesley1982 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:43 am

What is Yana translated to modern English?..

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Postby Simon E. » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:49 am

With the added implication that it can be a vehicle that leads to liberation.
" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Astus » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:46 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:05 pm

:good:

Like water, the sexual force is unstoppable, so if as a celibate one is not applying a lot of, as I've said, fairly advanced Yoga practices everyday, or at least A LOT of basic Pranayama exercises everyday; then the sexual energy won't take long to find an outlet, and, when repressed for a long time the said outlet can be rather morbid and harmful (example: the Roman Catholic church, or: ).

If one can sublimate the Sexual Vayus/Winds through Meditation and Pranayama for years and years, then that's great. Maybe some here have actually achieved that. However if others are not achieving that, then some healthy sex between woman and man is going to be much, much better than the disastrous consequences of long term repression.

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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Wesley1982 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:48 am

Choosing celibacy for the sake of your ordination requirements is an admirable vow to keep.

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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:15 am

Well maybe I assumed too much there.

In other words, if any sort of sexual union is against the Vinaya period, then perhaps H.H. the Dalai Lama (or his translator) should have replaced the word "celibacy" with the word "chastity" in the above quote.

Because:

Celibacy = Refraining from physical sexual union altogether.

Chastity = Keeping the Thigle, Bindu, Ojas, or Bodhicitta Drops inside the physical body; whether it be through celibate Pranayama and Meditation or through physical Chaste Sexual Union between Man & Woman.

Therefore, even though it might be possible to be both celibate and Chaste; it's also possible to go celibate without being Chaste, just as it is possible to be Chaste without going celibate.
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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Simon E. » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:46 am

" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

Robert V.C. Burns.

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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Astus » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:09 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Simon E. » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:22 pm

" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

Robert V.C. Burns.

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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:18 pm

. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Astus » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:20 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Is 'Wholesome Conduct' in Sex a good Karma?

Postby Simon E. » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:43 am

AFAYK.

:namaste:
" My heart's in the Highlands
my heart is not here.
My heart's in the Highlands
chasing the deer."

Robert V.C. Burns.


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