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Tashi delek Bönpos and Dzogchenpas,

This page will be a page, dedicated to the teachings of Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche, the Yongdzin and Lineage holder of many Bön Dzogchen cycles.

The most topics are related to Bön Dzogchen.


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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdka Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:34 am

DEVOTION
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Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche:
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If your devotion is strong enough,
He is certainly there.

All the Buddhas promised this: I will be in front of everybody whose devotion is deep enough.
This promise was made by the Buddhas, not made up by human beings like me.

You can trust it.

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Devotion is
the door to Liberation.
Devotion is the core
of Guru Yoga / Lama Näldjor.

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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby tingdzin » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:30 am

Since no one else has commented, I feel compelled to offer respect and gratitude to Yongdzin Rinpoche as one of very few exiled Tibetans who has worked tirelessly and fruitfully to ensure the survival of the Bon tradition.

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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:22 am

Question:
How do you know that a thought is a dual appearance?

Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche:
That becomes clear from having experience with the Nature. When you experience the Nature (in one`s Natural State), then you can see clearly without subject and object. Things are coming up spontaneously without that there is a subject and object.

Then these thoughts are liberated into the Nature from which they came.

According to the Dzogchen view every consciousness is a dual consciousness (Shespa).
Subject and object are always there because all of the different kind of consciousness grasp (Dzinpa) something. There is conception.

Further are thoughts not coming from beyond the Nature. Thoughts are coming up from the Nature, arising into the Nature. That means that thoughts and the Nature are not at all separate. The thoughts themselves are Nature, the empty Nature. If you THINKthat something is there, concretely or materially, then more thoughts will develop.

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Annotation:
Thoughts , visions and sounds are of an empty Nature.
If one hears a sound then we can realise easy that this sound has an empty Nature, it comes up, stays and disappears (in Nature).

So are the visions, sounds and thoughts they are from the same emptiness.
To realise this one can ring a Tibetan bowl then one can easy realise that a sound is empty or its Nature is empty.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:46 pm

Question:
If two persons are both in the Natural state, do they recognize each other in that state, or is it one state they are in together?

Answer:

If, for example, two men stay in the Dark Room, the visions that one of them has are never seen by the other one. He can explain something to the other, he sees it clearly by himself, but his explanations are like stories to the other. The other sees nothing. The Nature, as I always say, is connected to the individual, it is not common. The general explanations of the Natural state in Dzogchen are very general indeed. It does not at all mean that there is one Nature that sends rays to the other beings, or something like this.

There is a school that says like this, and Dzogchen is often mistaken in that way. But all the descriptions of things you may experience in the Natural state are indeed very general, and they don't help very much, if you don't have had that particular experience yourself. In general these descriptions fly very high and don't come directly to the person, which is the reason one cannot know at all what the individual person experiences.

Even if you look into the space, as I said, and see some threads or spots or lines, and point them out to the next person, he will not see it. Because that is the type of vision which is connected to the Natural state spontaneously. It shows itself by the visions. And when the visions are already there, what we need to do is develop them and use them properly. They are not created newly at all.

This is the Nature.

The Nature is the Nature, the visions are the Nature, and what we need to do is to use it properly.
It is the same as the fact that we are very deeply integrated with the Natural state, and we are still not knowing, and we go to hell, we suffer, many things. It does not help us at all. The fault is not knowing it. It does not mean you don't have it. You do have the Natural state perfectly well, but if you don't realize it, it does not help at all. That shows the individual Nature is.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:10 pm

Question:
How do we know if a thought is a dual appearance?

Answer:
That becomes clear from having experience with the Nature.
When you experience Nature, then you can see clearly without subject and object.
Things are coming up spontaneously without that there is a subject and object.
Then these visions are liberated into the Nature from which where they came from.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:54 pm

Question:
Many practitioners practise both Tantra, Kyerim, and Dzogchen. What can you say about the fruit in that case?


Lopon Lak:
Yes, you can't get 2 minds, sometimes this, sometimes that and in the end it makes it more difficult to reach the final goal. You are not a Dzogchenpa, not a Tantric practitioner, you are a practitioner of both. You are a special one! Because you can use both. If we are already advanced practitioners we can integrate with Sutra and Tantra, even divination and medicine etc. We are able to integrate everything.

BUT THE ESSENTIAL PRACTICE IS DZOGCHEN

Dzogchen practitioners are able to integrate with any activity - shopping, whatever, there is no problem.

Our early Masters practised Zhang Zhung Meri etc. in that way. They could obviously integrate everything, but their main practice was only Dzogchen. Some people think that from the beginning you have to do this or that, or that if you don 't first become a Tantric practitioner you can 't get Dzogchen.

But Tantra is just the taste, just the beginning; how far you have to practise, with purpose. All your life should be integrated with Tantric practice for years, years. It takes a long time, so when would you be ready for Dzogchen?


YOU DON' T NEED TO PREPARE FOR DZOGCHEN WITH TANTRA, THERE IS NOT TIME !

So if you are able to integrate any kind of activity of body, speech or mind, anything, then a Dzogchen practitioner could integrate everything very easily because it doesn't make much difference whatever you do.

Dzogchen doesn't need those other things, but maybe a specific practitioner is interested in helping others.

The whole thing. Whatever, whenever you do things, or you use consciousness and actions, that doesn't help Dzogchen.
Dzogchen is only to realize your real Nature and whether or not you are ready to do anything is up to the individual practitioner.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:32 pm

Tashi delek,

Like some Dzogchenpas know there are some postures, to make some Thögal practice possible.

But it can also be done without these postures, in some cases.

Mutsug Marro
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Question:
If you have a physical problem and cannot assume / practice some postures, is it still possible to practice Thögal?


Lopon La:
Sure you can. You can practice or assume the 5 pointed posture in the common way. But if you cannot remain in that posture, you can sit on a chair.
The main thing is to remain in meditation.

If the gazes and posture are comfortable, you can do whatever is possible for you.

These are all methods which you can make use of, but you can also use whatever is useful for the individual.
If it is too difficult but you still make a try, meanwhile you will loose the main point of practising and meditating, so in this case it is not useful just to take the body posture.

In case the body posture helps you to maintain the meditation, then you have to use it, then it can be helpful.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:53 pm

IN ADDITION:


In Bön the 5 point posture differs somehow from the 7 point posture used in Vajrayana.



In Vajrayana we know the The 7-Point Posture of Vairocana used in meditation sessions etc.

1. The back (i.e. from nape of neck to the small of the back) should be made as straight as possible - like an arrow or like a pile of coins.
2. The legs should be crossed in the vajra or bodhisattva posture (see right).
3. The hands (see below) should be folded, 4 fingers' width below the navel (not resting on the feet), the elbows slightly out. The shoulders are held up and back ('like a vulture')
4. The chin should be tucked in slightly, 'like an iron hook'.
5. The eyes (see below) should be relaxedly looking into space, at nothing in particular, somewhere about 16 fingers width in front of the nose.
6. The tongue should be held against the upper palate.
7. The lips should be slightly apart, the teeth not clenched. One breaths through the nose.

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In Bön we have only 5 - Point Posture:

1. Sitting in the cross-legged position symbolizes the Contemplation of Kunnang Khyabpa, purifies ignorance
and leads to the realization of the Wisdom of the Absolute Space free from elaborations.
2. Placing the 2 hands below the navel with the left one positioned above the right symbolizes the Contemplation of
Jedrak Ngome, purifies desire and attachment and ultimately leads to the realization of the Discriminating Wisdom.
Here the ring finger is touched by the thumb, it protects against the entering of bad entities during meditation.
3. Keeping the spine straight symbolizes the Contemplation of Selwa Rangjung, purifies hatred and aversion and
leads to the realization of the Mirror-like Wisdom.
4. Straightening the shoulders and bending the chin inwards symbolizes the Contemplation of Gelha Garchuk,
purifies pride and leads to the realization of the Wisdom of Equality.
5. Directing the eyes towards (not at) the tip of the nose whilst keeping the mouth slightly open (without the lips
touching each other) and breathing naturally symbolizes the Contemplation of Gawa Dondrup, purifies jealousy
and leads to the realization of the Wisdom of all accomplishing Actions.

Furthermore, the body should not be bent forwards or backwards, nor should you move, even slightly. Leave it as it is,
like an unmoving corpse. In this way:

- the energy of the 5 elements will be balanced
- the power of the 5 poisons will naturally be appeased
- the 5 Wisdoms will arise without effort
- the state of the 5 Buddha' s will dawn in one's continuum.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:02 pm

Tashi delek Dzogchenpas,

Yeh, sleeping that is what we all do, for the minimum of one third of our live.
To make this sleeping more productive for Dzogchenpas , we have to adopt a certain daily vision.

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Question:
What are the methods to help retain Awareness while asleep ?

Lopon la:
At first, you may remember for a short time that you are sleeping and want to integrate with meditation and the Natural State,
but you very seldom realize and practise - most of the time you don't integrate with practice.

If that is the case, just before you go to sleep and just after you wake up - at those two specific times, try to get up and take one of the Postures. Choose whichever is convenient and focus on it, and any thoughts about important things are put (under control).

This is the method of how to prepare the visualization.

In the morning time and in the afternoon time and at midday -
all the time, try to remember and know
that all phenomenal existence
is as Illusion, like a dream.

You have to think this many times.

You have to visualize that all phenomenal existence is as Illusion, that it is Illusion like a dream. All types of daytime experiences - whatever appears - you have to realize they are as a dream.

That is what you have to think between the session times. You see them as dreams so there is no separation between (this) and real dreams; they are combined together.

If you are ready to practise sleeping practice then I can go.

The best practitioner can easily integrate sleep with remembering contemplation with the Natural State, but even if you can't do it easily from the beginning, do this sleeping practice many times. Just before you go to sleep, try to keep in the meditation of the
Natural State and sometimes you will be able to remember and integrate in sleep time and sometimes not - it will be half and half.

At that time, whenever you have the Experience of being able to integrate meditation and realization, try particularly to integrate for a longer and longer time. You need to have continuous determination.

If you do this continuously with determination then it will become familiar and stable. This is a very important method.

In the last stage, when you are able to integrate sleeping and the Clear Light, at that time you will have some disturbances from
spirits. Some spirits don't like practitioners very much so they will disturb you and try to tease you.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby KrisW » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:52 pm

Are these these teachings/transcripts available somewhere?
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:08 am

Question:
How do you concentrate into the Natural State?
On what do you focus your Awareness?

Lopon La:
There is nothing to do.Just leave it to itself.If you do something, if you try to do anything, then you are NOT in the Natural State.
So there is no method.
It does not the matter if the eyes are open or closed, or whether you lie down in your bed.
If you are familiar with keeping the Natural State, if you are quite advanced with this practice, then you can talk, or you can do everything, without that this State is disturbed.

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Annotation:
There is a distinction to be made here between trying to do nothing and just simply trying to do nothing within your mind.
When you try to do nothing, then you are doing something.
Lopon explains here that in Trekchöd, you cultivate a state of mind , in which you must do simply nothing and that when you realy do this, you are allowing your mind to remain in its Natural State.

An important and related distinction is the difference between allowing your mind to remain in its Natural State, and the act of trying to cultivate a predetermined state of mind.

The defining essence of the ego-centric mind, is that it is a mind that tries to actualize a pre-defined state of mind of one kind or another.
In the day to day live of the socialized mind in which we all live, that pre-defined state will usually be your concept of self, or your identity.

But there are other forms of ego as well. For example, you are creating a form of ego in meditation, whenever you try and cultivate a state of mind that is blissful or a state of mind in which you do absolutely nothing.

The nature of mind, in contrast, is not in any way a state of mind in which you try to cultivate a pre-determined state of some sort.
It is the Natural State of Mind , and as such, it is egoless.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:30 am

IN ADDITION:

At the end of this video, Lopon La explains thoughts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtF42iyixsE
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:05 am

Question:
What is the difference between
- Path Rigpa
- Fruit Rigpa

Lopon La:
- Path Rigpa, understands (intellectually) the essence of Rigpa, but one has not realized the essence of Rigpa
- Fruit Rigpa, has realised the essence of Rigpa.


Essence of Rigpa would be:
- Its essence is emptiness
- Its Nature is self clarity
- It is pure or Kadag
- It is non-dual, therefore, it is an egoless state of Mind.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:10 am

Question:
How is Nature unborn? Why do we say that Nature is unborn?


Lopon La:

1. Nature is naturally unborn because it has no cause
2. It has the characteristic of being unborn
3. Everything comes into the similar Nature, Ro-chug
4. In this system of ZZNG, (it says) it is impossible to explain how it was born
5. This Nature cannot be explained even as being born temporarily
6. Neither is it possible to explain it as being born in a moment
7. Also it is not born according to time
8. Not born according to the result or fruit
9. Not be born inseparably (from the) cause and fruit
10. It is not possible to recognize this Nature as a material thing. It is not material
11. This Nature is not born, it encompasses all existence
12. It is not possible for any kind of senses or consciousness - mental consciousness included - to focus on this Nature.
13. In the past, present, and future, this Nature is always the same, unchangeable. So therefore, it is called the Unborn. In Tibetan, we say Gyud Me.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:08 pm

Tashi delek Members / Dzogchenpas,

The Samayas or Damchik, are there for Tantra and Dzogchen.
Tantra Samayas can be very hard to maintain, according to the sayings of some great Tibetan Mahasiddhas.

Also the Ngakpas have so their Dam chik / Samaya to keep and ain't no easy at all.

For me it was during my 1 year retreat inside, easier to follow those Samayas than outside. But maybe that is very personal seen.

Dzogchenpas have also their Samayas, but they differ here and there from the 14 basic Tantric Samayas.
Because this topic Samayas and Dzogchenpas is very unknown to the most, here some elucidations made by our Yongdzin Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche.


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Question:'
Are there in Dzogchen Samayas / Dam chig ?


Lopon La:

Dzogchen practitioners must keep 4 Points of Faith.
Sometimes people say: 'Other Teachers of Dzogchen say that there are no Samaya, but you say there are, that we should do this or that, so therefore you are not a good Dzogchen Teacher'. But this is in the text- I didn't invent it at all. You can trust! I can show you the text.

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These 4 points of faith are:
1. Mepa
2. Chawa
3. Chigpu
4. Tongpa


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1. MEPA:
The Dzogchen View is 'leave as it is' but in addition,

- Don't think that nothing exists, that there is nothing there, that everything is just emptiness;
- Don't negate anything. Just leave it as it is. When you leave Nature as it is and say that the Natural State or the Nature of Mind is empty, if you think that it is indeed empty (void), then that is one point of broken faith.
- Don't think this- this Nature is completely beyond thought , so you may think that nothing exists or that it is empty, but Nature itself is neither emptiness (void) nor substance ; it is completely beyond thinking. If you don't leave it as it is but think that it is empty or that nothing exists or something, then that is added. That is breaking one part of faith . I have tried to find the words to explain this but as everyone knows, I am not English! Anyhow , I hope you can understand.

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2. CHAWA
This is kind of similar to Nihilism, but (it is thinking that) the
vastness of Nature encompasses everything.
Nature has colour or form, something, it has no colour, nor form, no shape, no source, and you think that thinking of this is Nature. If something is there, and it doesn't exist, then this part is called Chawa .
There are 2 types of negation, both of which are similar.
- One is the notion that if nothing exists then everything is void,
- The other is the notion that whatever has not colour, that is Nature , not form is Nature. But in fact Nature is completely beyond thought and thinking. That is Chawa.

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3. CHIGPU
We often explain Thigle Nyagchig, and indeed we have just used the term now.
Chigpu means single, and single means that it has no friends or something. It means single CLARITY, or EMPTINESS is single or unification is single, but don 't think that it doesn't rely on anything, and therefore it is single; this (is) beyond thought. You can't catch and pick out just pieces .

That is Chigpu - without any partition. It means that each individual being has mind and the Nature is of a very similar quality .
Don't think that there is just one Nature (for everyone). Don't think it is like the sun, that there is just one sun but its rays cover everywhere . Each being has mind and wherever there is mind, there is Nature- it is not separate from mind but Nature is not just the same (one). Each individual being has Nature and this Nature is practiced and realized by the individual; it is the individual who takes the Result .

When the text says Thigle Nyagchig, it means similar quality; Emptiness, Clarity and Unification are the same everywhere.

For example, if you cut down one stick of bamboo you can see it is hollow and so you don't need to cut down all the bamboo. In a similar way, if you realize (the Nature of your Mind) it is your mind which liberates into Nature. All sentient beings who have mind are integrated with Nature. That is Thigle Nyagchig. That is what single means. If you depend on consciousness, that is breaking the Dzogchen Vow. That is the main thing.

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4. TONGPA
This is Eternalism. Quite often when we speak about the Natural State we say it is eternal, unchangeable. You can't say it is unchangeable or impermanent- you can't say anything because in fact it is BEYOND THOUGHT. You can't take pieces from there. If you do, then it won 't be real Nature.
OK. So I have tried to explain these 4.

If a practitioner doesn't have powerful blessings then he won't be able to hold the pure and powerful Doctrines.

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Annotaion:

Yes it is like Rinpoche explains without powerful blessings no pure and powerful Doctrines.

These blessings come for a Dzogchenpa always out of the Guru Yoga practice. Therefore i fully agree to Lopon's point of view that receiving blessings is of the utmost importance for a Dzogchenpa but also for a Tantrika.

But like i know and understood, there are a a lot of persons who do it wthout blessings etc. and the result is always the same, poor.

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