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Breaking the one vow

Postby Ogyen » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:23 am

I have hit a brick wall - everywhere I look the filters of gloom cover my sight, a nasty negative energy shrouds my outlook despite keeping at it and doing everything I know (and that list is fairly extensive having years of practice working with the goggles of depression and the afflictions of mental stress). My head knows it's just filters, tricks of perception, nothing to even dive too deep into - I watch the clouds like storms come and go.. I even sense very keenly some days there is no 'me' to get all bent out of shape and I let much of it rise and fall away without 'acting/reacting' to the whole cycle... but the one thing I'm least proud of that I did was break the one vow I made to my teacher when I took refuge. He made me pick one of the 10 that I vowed and said, "This is the one that you vow to never do, the one that you vow to me." And I picked. I don't know why I picked that one. I even felt I didn't know if I could always keep it no matter what. And in the lowest of lowest, I broke it. I feel like the biggest phony ever. I probably am - I mean I don't even pretend to try to be Buddhist... even that is a construct. I feel like either I embody a Buddha or shut up kid - don't pretend or try to be anything. There is no try, either do or don't -and watch yourself doing or not doing. Meanwhile, I FEEL the suffering. Intensely. And no relief is coming.

What are the consequences of breaking one's vow to one's teacher? I imagine pretty dire...?
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"To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget." –Arundhati Roy

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Re: Breaking the one vow

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Breaking the one vow

Postby Lhug-Pa » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:00 am

What about the clay pot versus the gold pot analogy?

Why are Hinayana vows said to be irreparable like a shattered clay pot?

Does it mean that breaking a Hinayana vow ensures lower rebirths? Or does it simply imply that by breaking a Hinayana vow one could pay that karma through suffering in this life? (as opposed to like paying the karma of a broken Tantra vow like mending a gold pot through prostrations, Ganapuja, 100 Syllable Mantra, etc.)

Namdrol you've said that the Buddha Dharma considers non-Buddhist religions to be subsumed within the Shravakayana (and maybe this would even include agnostic-Humanism)..., does this mean that any broken vow outside of Mahayana or Vajrayana is irreparable according to Buddhism?
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Re: Breaking the one vow

Postby Tilopa » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:16 am

Apply the 4 opponent powers then retake the vow if and when appropriate. It's good to be concerned, vows are important, but don't stress because there is no negative karma so heavy it can't be purified. Recite Vajrasattva mantra.

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Re: Breaking the one vow

Postby Grigoris » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:47 am

:good:
You can even take the vow by visualising the teacher and Refuge tree and retaking it in front of the visualisation.

But definitely the Four Opponent Powers and Vajrasattva.

But above all:
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Re: Breaking the one vow

Postby Ogyen » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:18 pm

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"To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget." –Arundhati Roy

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Re: Breaking the one vow

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:17 am

What if you did not 'break' it? Did you eagerly set out one fine day to do so; did you say to yourself 'guru be damned' I am going to break it; did you further exult in the breaking and think 'this is great, I am going to do this anytime I want?'

If you did not think all this; if you felt uncomfortable during the violation of your vow; if you felt and still feel great remorse and promise to not violate your vow again - then you did not really break it.

If you want to keep up remedial practices because it helps you forget about this slip, so be it. But wallowing in remorse is no good; move on and continue to try your best.
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Breaking the one vow

Postby Ogyen » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:51 am

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"To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget." –Arundhati Roy

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Re: Breaking the one vow

Postby AlexanderS » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:37 pm

Out of couriosity what was the vow? If it's´true private, then of ´course dont tell me.

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"To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget." –Arundhati Roy

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Re: Breaking the one vow

Postby Malcolm » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:28 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Breaking the one vow

Postby Blue Garuda » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:53 pm

I know well that you are a deeply compassionate person.

You mean that you failed to have equanimity when your world fell apart?

Namdrol is absolutely right.
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Re: Breaking the one vow

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"It's as plain as the nose on your face!"

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"To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget." –Arundhati Roy

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"To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget." –Arundhati Roy

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