Bon Dzogchen Centers
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Bon Dzogchen Centers
Tashi delek,
Below some important Bon Dzogchen Centers where one can follow Bon Teachings.
Mutsog Marro
KY
H.H. Menri Trizin 33rd, Tenpai Nyima Rinpoche
http://www.bonfoundation.org/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
H.E. Yongdzin Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche
http://www.triten.org/TR/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://shenten.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
His Eminence Menri Lopon Trinley Rinpoche
http://www.khyungdzongwl.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Geshe Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche:
https://www.ligmincha.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ligminchatexas.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Retreat in the USA: http://www.chammaling.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ligmincha.nl/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bongaruda.de/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.garudamexico.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://a.bongaruda.pl/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.garudaswitzerland.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Geshe Yong Dong
http://www.sherabchammaling.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tempa Dukte Lama
http://www.olmoling.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chongtrul Rinpoche
http://bonshenling.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
H.E. the 7th Kundröl Rinpoche
http://www.zamongyal.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Geshe Chaphur Rinpoche
http://gyalshen.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Geshe Nyima Dakpa Rinpoche
http://jungdrungbon.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
John Reynolds / Vajranatha
http://www.vajranatha.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
John Vincent Belezza
http://www.asianart.com/articles/vestiges/index.html#1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lama Khemsar Rinpoche
http://www.yungdrungbon.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Foundation Yungdrung Rignga Ling / Bon temple in the Netherlands
Location:
http://maps.google.nl/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=nl&tab=wl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Below some important Bon Dzogchen Centers where one can follow Bon Teachings.
Mutsog Marro
KY
H.H. Menri Trizin 33rd, Tenpai Nyima Rinpoche
http://www.bonfoundation.org/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
H.E. Yongdzin Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche
http://www.triten.org/TR/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://shenten.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
His Eminence Menri Lopon Trinley Rinpoche
http://www.khyungdzongwl.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Geshe Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche:
https://www.ligmincha.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ligminchatexas.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Retreat in the USA: http://www.chammaling.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ligmincha.nl/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bongaruda.de/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.garudamexico.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://a.bongaruda.pl/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.garudaswitzerland.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Geshe Yong Dong
http://www.sherabchammaling.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tempa Dukte Lama
http://www.olmoling.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chongtrul Rinpoche
http://bonshenling.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
H.E. the 7th Kundröl Rinpoche
http://www.zamongyal.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Geshe Chaphur Rinpoche
http://gyalshen.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Geshe Nyima Dakpa Rinpoche
http://jungdrungbon.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
John Reynolds / Vajranatha
http://www.vajranatha.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
John Vincent Belezza
http://www.asianart.com/articles/vestiges/index.html#1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lama Khemsar Rinpoche
http://www.yungdrungbon.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Foundation Yungdrung Rignga Ling / Bon temple in the Netherlands
Location:
http://maps.google.nl/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=nl&tab=wl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Open Google maps - Type: Kerkrade, yungdrung
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.
If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here:
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If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here:
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
Blue Garuda wrote:Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.
If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here:
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8917" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tashi delek,
Thanks for your suggestion.
There is no problem if new posts would push this list of Bon Dzogchen Centers downwards.
It is so confusing that general Dzogchen Forum. What is what and who is who and why?
I retire myself from many points of view regarding that general Dzogchen Forum and i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists etc.
By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.
But that decission is left to the head Administrator of course.
So all in all i have a better feeling if these Bon Dzogchen Centers are placed on the right place and on the right time inside the Bon sub-forum.
Mutsog Marro
KY
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
kalden yungdrung wrote:Blue Garuda wrote:Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.
If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here:
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8917" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tashi delek,
Thanks for your suggestion.
There is no problem if new posts would push this list of Bon Dzogchen Centers downwards.
It is so confusing that general Dzogchen Forum. What is what and who is who and why?
I retire myself from many points of view regarding that general Dzogchen Forum and i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists etc.
By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.
But that decission is left to the head Administrator of course.
So all in all i have a better feeling if these Bon Dzogchen Centers are placed on the right place and on the right time inside the Bon sub-forum.
Mutsog Marro
KY
I quite understand.
Maybe ask a Mod to make it a 'sticky' in the Bon forum then?
I like 'sticky' threads as it means useful information is presented at the top for people opening up the forum.
Would it be OK to post a link to this thread from the Dzogchen one as people may well be looking there for a Bon Lama they have heard about?
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
Blue Garuda wrote:kalden yungdrung wrote:Blue Garuda wrote:Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.
If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here:
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8917" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tashi delek,
Thanks for your suggestion.
There is no problem if new posts would push this list of Bon Dzogchen Centers downwards.
It is so confusing that general Dzogchen Forum. What is what and who is who and why?
I retire myself from many points of view regarding that general Dzogchen Forum and i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists etc.
By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.
But that decission is left to the head Administrator of course.
So all in all i have a better feeling if these Bon Dzogchen Centers are placed on the right place and on the right time inside the Bon sub-forum.
Mutsog Marro
KY
I quite understand.
Maybe ask a Mod to make it a 'sticky' in the Bon forum then?
I like 'sticky' threads as it means useful information is presented at the top for people opening up the forum.
Would it be OK to post a link to this thread from the Dzogchen one as people may well be looking there for a Bon Lama they have heard about?
Tashi delek,
Thanks for your replies.
IMO a link to Bon Dzogchen Centers inside the Bon sub-forum is not so needed / nescessary.
It fullfills all needs if this topic is mentioned only in the Bon sub-forum.
Maybe to make it sticky that would be nice but here i have so my top 10.... :
Mutsog Marro
KY
The best meditation is no meditation
Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
Does Lopön Tenzin Namdak consider himself as a buddhist?kalden yungdrung wrote:...i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists...
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
Bhusuku wrote:Does Lopön Tenzin Namdak consider himself as a buddhist?kalden yungdrung wrote:...i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists...
Tashi delek,
Lopon Lak would certainly say he is a Bonpo.
But like i have written before, in Tibet we know only Bonpos (Tibetan Buddhists) and Chospas (Indian orientated Buddhists), the name Buddhist is not used.
That is not strange seen in the light of persecution of Bonpos, that they could never be called Tibetan Buddhists, this claim was only exclusive for the new imported form of belief, the Indian Buddhism.
Nevertheless, Bonpos and Chospas have both a Buddha so they could be called both Buddhists but in Tibet there is no name for this collective belief due to political manipulations.
So they are both Buddhists but are according Tibetan politics called different.
So Lopon Lak would call him a Bonpo due to Tibetan customs but finally he is a Bon Buddhist and follows Bon Buddha Dharma. It is a word game due to only Tibetan customs and no more.
Bon Buddha Dharma does include (Like in Vajrayana):
Sutra
Tantra
Dzogchen
Mutsog Marro
KY
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
Geshe Rinchen Tenzin Rinpoche
http://togmisherab.artalama.net.ru/en/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
kalden,kalden yungdrung wrote: ...
By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.
Mutsog Marro
KY
You are playing not to understand the message of those who say that to receive DI you do not have to be Buddhist ... it's your game, be happy with that biased pov.
Sönam
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
I know good Buddhists who feel that Bon followers have nothing to say to Dzogchen students, that Bon is ersatz....Where should we draw the line ?kalden yungdrung wrote:Blue Garuda wrote:Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.
If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here:
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8917" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tashi delek,
Thanks for your suggestion.
There is no problem if new posts would push this list of Bon Dzogchen Centers downwards.
It is so confusing that general Dzogchen Forum. What is what and who is who and why?
I retire myself from many points of view regarding that general Dzogchen Forum and i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists etc.
By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.
But that decission is left to the head Administrator of course.
So all in all i have a better feeling if these Bon Dzogchen Centers are placed on the right place and on the right time inside the Bon sub-forum.
Mutsog Marro
KY
Perhaps we should not. Perhaps we should not poke " the elephant in the room."
Just a thought.
“You don’t know it. You just know about it. That is not the same thing.”
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
I had thought that if a person is searching DW for 'Dzogchen' as opposed to 'Buddhism' or 'Bon' then Bon Dzogchen should be welcome to make use of the sticky and add to that list (as well as maybe posting in the Bon forum.
Clearly people have sensitivities about this.
My apologies if it was interpreted as an attempt to hijack the Bonpo content itself, as I was only seeking to view DW from the POV of members seeking information and to be helpful to them.
Clearly people have sensitivities about this.
My apologies if it was interpreted as an attempt to hijack the Bonpo content itself, as I was only seeking to view DW from the POV of members seeking information and to be helpful to them.
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
Sönam wrote:kalden,kalden yungdrung wrote: ...
By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.
Mutsog Marro
KY
You are playing not to understand the message of those who say that to receive DI you do not have to be Buddhist ... it's your game, be happy with that biased pov.
Sönam
Tashi delek,
I guess you did misunderstood my mesasage.
We are dealing here with the traditional Dzogchen Lineages with Ngondro and those like you who prefer not to do these preliminaries, because the DI would serve for all people there are. Well this was doubt very clear, in as well Nyingma Dzogchen as well Bon Dzogchen, therefore their gradual approach. Well further can people in our Traditional Dzogchen Lineages call themselves Bon Buddhist or Vajrayana Buddhist, so here the people who are going for DI are sure Buddhists!
So if i did understood well then is also Buddhism not per se needed to get the DI running, whereas Dzogchen is total Buddhism or Buddha Dharma.
Further blased in what way if there are clear different view points, which i do defend in the Buddhist sense, when i may?
Mutsog Marro
KY
The best meditation is no meditation
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
Simon E. wrote:I know good Buddhists who feel that Bon followers have nothing to say to Dzogchen students, that Bon is ersatz....Where should we draw the line ?kalden yungdrung wrote:Blue Garuda wrote:Threads soon disappear, as the volume of posts here soon pushes them down the list.
If you want this information to remain at the top of the Dzogchen sub-forum then list it as a post here:
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=8917" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tashi delek,
Thanks for your suggestion.
There is no problem if new posts would push this list of Bon Dzogchen Centers downwards.
It is so confusing that general Dzogchen Forum. What is what and who is who and why?
I retire myself from many points of view regarding that general Dzogchen Forum and i don' t see it as ok to put Bon Dzogchen Centers among other Dzogchen Centers who don' t see themselves as Buddhists etc.
By the way i thought that Dharma Wheel was there for Buddhists and Buddhism but it seems to be that already 20 % don' t feel themselves as Buddhist. Maybe the heading should be changed into Dharma Wheel a forum for Buddhists and non Buddhists. And on top of that Non Buddhists like Christians, Jews, Islamists, Hindhus, Sikhs, Jains, new Agies and the others i did forgot, would have their own sub-forum.
But that decission is left to the head Administrator of course.
So all in all i have a better feeling if these Bon Dzogchen Centers are placed on the right place and on the right time inside the Bon sub-forum.
Mutsog Marro
KY
Perhaps we should not. Perhaps we should not poke " the elephant in the room."
Just a thought.
Tashi delek,
Well i know these facts, very sad in that case, but nevertheless Dzogchen = Dzogchen, there are different approaches that is clear.
We have traditional and non traditional Dzogchen, like we can watch here aboard. But then anyway all these Lineages have the fruit Masters, or the proves.
So regarding methods etc. we can share these things, but sometimes the minor differences overshadow total the general Dzogchen View.......
It is not i have a mission but what is Dzogchen and Dzogchen that should be disciussed. Own Lineage news should be done on the related forum, that keeps objectief conversation possible.
Mutsog Marro
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Re: Bon Dzogchen Centers
Thank you for changing your mind and listing in the Dzogchen section as well.
I'm sure it will help people seeking out information.
I'm sure it will help people seeking out information.
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