What do you think of the ordination of nuns in Thailand?
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... vestigated
Graham
Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!
Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!
The same think that I believe about the ordination of Buddhist nuns in any part of the world:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!
Let there be nuns!
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
- conebeckham
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Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!
Who could be against it? None. None should be against nuns.
Nun Vs. None
Nun Vs. None
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!
Seriously, though...it sounds like there are layers of issues here, with regard to Thai culture, nuns, dress codes, and gender issue bias........I know nothing about any of this, but it's interesting.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!
----------------------------GrahamR wrote:What do you think of the ordination of nuns in Thailand?
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... vestigated
Graham
I believe officially they can NOT be considered Nuns as by Theravada rules as they can not be ordained as Monks
The reason us that a female can only be ordained by another female .... and the last truelly ordained female Nun odained by Theravada rules died some years ago .... so no one is left to ordain another female by those rules.
Now I am aware that other Theravada nuns have been ordained outside of Thailand, but for the reasons I mentioned above they are not recognised by the Theravada Sangha here in Thailand.
I am not a Theravada Buddhist anyhow, and I am merely statimg what my understanding of the Theravada rules are.
If I am wromg, someone please correct me.
Shame on you Shakyamuni for setting the precedent of leaving home.
Did you think it was not there--
in your wife's lovely face
in your baby's laughter?
Did you think you had to go elsewhere (simply) to find it?
from - Judyth Collin
The Layman's Lament
From What Book, 1998, p. 52
Edited by Gary Gach
Did you think it was not there--
in your wife's lovely face
in your baby's laughter?
Did you think you had to go elsewhere (simply) to find it?
from - Judyth Collin
The Layman's Lament
From What Book, 1998, p. 52
Edited by Gary Gach
Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!
This is a fair summary. The 'last' Bukkhuni were in the 13th century I thinkQuiet Heart wrote: I believe officially they can NOT be considered Nuns as by Theravada rules as they can not be ordained as Monks
The reason us that a female can only be ordained by another female .... and the last truelly ordained female Nun odained by Theravada rules died some years ago .... so no one is left to ordain another female by those rules.
Now I am aware that other Theravada nuns have been ordained outside of Thailand, but for the reasons I mentioned above they are not recognised by the Theravada Sangha here in Thailand.
I am not a Theravada Buddhist anyhow, and I am merely statimg what my understanding of the Theravada rules are.
If I am wromg, someone please correct me.
Nuns who have been ordained overseas (Vietnam etc) have moved to Thailand and are ordaining nuns in Thailand.
Also some belong to the Theravada tradition and ordained in the west, people may recall the Ajarn Brahm debate about 3 years ago.
http://www.iwmcf.org/IWMC.html for example
I hope one day the Thai Sangha may be more progressive on this topic
With metta
Graham
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Re: Nuns in Thailand ... cause a stir!
if the Buddha permitted nuns...... ...