Jigme Lingpa's mystical pranayama experience

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http://en.calameo.com/read/00003925751dd248ce111
pg. 468

"The ascending and descending pranas united, and a large, round vessel like a gourd was actually visible to the eye. This was the source from which my ordinary and extraordinary signs of the path were actualized." ---Jigme Lingpa
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What does Jigme Lingpa mean?
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ConradTree wrote:What does Jigme Lingpa mean?
jigs med is "fearless" I believe. gling pa is an honorary title given to tertöns, but "gling" [skt. dvīpa] translates to something like "island", or continent; island; location [as of a monastery] according to Jeffery Hopkins Sanskrit-Tibetan-English dictionary.
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I meant what the quote means.
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ConradTree wrote:I meant what the quote means.
Ah haha
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ConradTree wrote:What does Jigme Lingpa mean?
The ascending and descending pranas united, and a large, round vessel like a gourd was actually visible to the eye. This was the source from which my ordinary and extraordinary signs of the path were actualized." ---Jigme Lingpa
As it says, the winds were united and as a result he saw a sign, visually visible to him at the time. It was from this experience that his later attainments were actualized.

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Yes, but what does that mean?

Is this gourd thing a well known visible sign in pranayama?

And how is it the basis for all his attainments?
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ConradTree wrote:Yes, but what does that mean?

Is this gourd thing a well known visible sign in pranayama?

And how is it the basis for all his attainments?
Yes.

Control of prāṇa is the basis of all attainments.
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Malcolm wrote: Yes.
Anything in English that explains the gourd?
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ConradTree wrote:
Malcolm wrote: Yes.
Anything in English that explains the gourd?
You can examine Lamdre.
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You must be referring to this:

http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Result-Pat ... 0861714431

But there is no mention of gourd in it. You can search for words through Amazon if you click on the cover.

This gourd thing must be known under different names.
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ConradTree wrote:You must be referring to this:

http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Result-Pat ... 0861714431

But there is no mention of gourd in it. You can search for words through Amazon.

After one is able to see the color of the vāyu through doing various kinds of practice, when one unifies the prāṇā and apāṇa vayus, it forms the shape of a ball or a gourd. Yogis can see this with their eyes. You and I cannot.

First however you have to get the level of being able to see your prāṇa. Lamdre explains this process very well, but also the treatise on vāyu in the Vima Nyinthig and so on.
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Malcolm wrote:After one is able to see the color of the vāyu through doing various kinds of practice...
Is it green?
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dzogchungpa wrote:
Malcolm wrote:After one is able to see the color of the vāyu through doing various kinds of practice...
Is it green?

There are in general five elemental vāyus, so they have different colors.
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Malcolm wrote:
dzogchungpa wrote:
Malcolm wrote:After one is able to see the color of the vāyu through doing various kinds of practice...
Is it green?
There are in general five elemental vāyus, so they have different colors.
OK, I assume those are the standard colors. Is the white one actually white?
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dzogchungpa wrote: OK, I assume those are the standard colors. Is the white one actually white?
The best think you can do is practice prāṇāyama yourself and discover this experientially. I can tell you what the texts say, but I have no personal experience with this.

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Malcolm wrote:
ConradTree wrote:You must be referring to this:

http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Result-Pat ... 0861714431

But there is no mention of gourd in it. You can search for words through Amazon.

After one is able to see the color of the vāyu through doing various kinds of practice, when one unifies the prāṇā and apāṇa vayus, it forms the shape of a ball or a gourd. Yogis can see this with their eyes. You and I cannot.
Not saying the above is not true also, but the notes say that this is how his abdomened looked like after much practice, a physical sign.
The best think you can do is practice prāṇāyama yourself and discover this experientially. I can tell you what the texts say, but I have no personal experience with this.
Except it seems texts often don't completely agree with one another in such matters. This has made me wonder if one only sees what one is supposed to see according to the system one practices.
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Malcolm wrote:I can tell you what the texts say
Go on...
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Pero wrote:Not saying the above is not true also, but the notes say that this is how his abdomened looked like after much practice, a physical sign.
If you have the book, quote the footnote please.
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Malcolm wrote:
dzogchungpa wrote: OK, I assume those are the standard colors. Is the white one actually white?
The best think you can do is practice prāṇāyama yourself and discover this experientially. I can tell you what the texts say, but I have no personal experience with this.

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So, even after a three year Lamdre retreat one should not expect such experiences? It seems that, even when doing retreats, the path is not so fast and easy. Guess Dzogchen is the way to go. Though I don't think that is easy either.
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