Random question on Chogyam Trungpa
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Random question on Chogyam Trungpa
Hi:
This is second hand info, that I got from someone...So I just want to see if anyone knows anything about Chogyam Trungpa ever holding a nine point vajra with his right finger and thumb, on some sort of "9th point" while giving lectures or whatever? What is the significance of this act and the number nine in Tibetan Buddhism (if the information I received is credible info?)
This is second hand info, that I got from someone...So I just want to see if anyone knows anything about Chogyam Trungpa ever holding a nine point vajra with his right finger and thumb, on some sort of "9th point" while giving lectures or whatever? What is the significance of this act and the number nine in Tibetan Buddhism (if the information I received is credible info?)
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa
Maybe he was drunk.
Great username by the way.
Great username by the way.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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So the actual act itself has no significance whatsoever? You haven't read about this or seen it referenced somewhere or heard anyone say anything about him doing this?Nangwa wrote:Maybe he was drunk.
Great username by the way.
The number nine: What is it's significance in Tibetan Buddhism (if oyu know anything about this?)
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But only a few know how to dismantle [mental clinging].
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa
According to the Nyingma school there are nine yanas.Lotus_Bitch wrote:So the actual act itself has no significance whatsoever? You haven't read about this or seen it referenced somewhere or heard anyone say anything about him doing this?Nangwa wrote:Maybe he was drunk.
Great username by the way.
The number nine: What is it's significance in Tibetan Buddhism (if oyu know anything about this?)
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa
Nangwa wrote:
Great username by the way.
Thank you. I came up with it based off a day dream I had at work, about starting a progressive death metal band with female vocals. The songs subject matter would've been based off of the buddhadharma; hence "Lotus"...With the inclusion of female vocals making it "Bitch." This may or may not be offensive to women.
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Hmm...Ok, thank you for responding.Nangwa wrote:According to the Nyingma school there are nine yanas.Lotus_Bitch wrote:So the actual act itself has no significance whatsoever? You haven't read about this or seen it referenced somewhere or heard anyone say anything about him doing this?Nangwa wrote:Maybe he was drunk.
Great username by the way.
The number nine: What is it's significance in Tibetan Buddhism (if oyu know anything about this?)
Many meditators know how to meditate,
But only a few know how to dismantle [mental clinging].
- Je Gyare
But only a few know how to dismantle [mental clinging].
- Je Gyare
Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa
I guess it is a rather literal translation of Padmadas, "Servant of Padmasambhava".Lotus_Bitch wrote:Nangwa wrote:
Great username by the way.
Thank you. I came up with it based off a day dream I had at work, about starting a progressive death metal band with female vocals. The songs subject matter would've been based off of the buddhadharma; hence "Lotus"...With the inclusion of female vocals making it "Bitch." This may or may not be offensive to women.
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Lol, I thought of it as a rather funny joke. It would be something though if I actually did something like this....Though how to make the sound stand out and to make it unique and refreshing compared to the rest of the bands in this genre would be more of a challenge....Namdrol wrote:I guess it is a rather literal translation of Padmadas, "Servant of Padmasambhava".Lotus_Bitch wrote:Nangwa wrote:
Great username by the way.
Thank you. I came up with it based off a day dream I had at work, about starting a progressive death metal band with female vocals. The songs subject matter would've been based off of the buddhadharma; hence "Lotus"...With the inclusion of female vocals making it "Bitch." This may or may not be offensive to women.
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But only a few know how to dismantle [mental clinging].
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa
Nangwa wrote:
Maybe he was drunk.
You were about 6 years old when the great mahasiddha passed into parinirvana, so I doubt you remember him well. For those of us fortunate enough to meet and receive teachings from him, your statement places you in the category of those who are ruled by their expectations and self-interest. That is the biggest obstacle of all, and the one he worked so hard to encourage us to go beyond.
Instead of denigrating yourself by perpetuating ignorance of his upaya (he never hid anything from us--nothing), you should read the statements of His Holiness the 16th Karmapa who referred to Trungpa Rinpoche as the Lord of Dharma. Or to those of His Holiness Dilgo Khyentse who said that he was "equal to myself". Thrangu Rinpoche who constantly praises him everytime the subject comes up. Do I need to go on?
So do us all a favour and go sit instead of reinforcing spiritual materialism and causing doubt in the minds of new students. Thanks.
Maybe he was drunk.
You were about 6 years old when the great mahasiddha passed into parinirvana, so I doubt you remember him well. For those of us fortunate enough to meet and receive teachings from him, your statement places you in the category of those who are ruled by their expectations and self-interest. That is the biggest obstacle of all, and the one he worked so hard to encourage us to go beyond.
Instead of denigrating yourself by perpetuating ignorance of his upaya (he never hid anything from us--nothing), you should read the statements of His Holiness the 16th Karmapa who referred to Trungpa Rinpoche as the Lord of Dharma. Or to those of His Holiness Dilgo Khyentse who said that he was "equal to myself". Thrangu Rinpoche who constantly praises him everytime the subject comes up. Do I need to go on?
So do us all a favour and go sit instead of reinforcing spiritual materialism and causing doubt in the minds of new students. Thanks.
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I didnt say anything about his upaya or capacity as a teacher.illusionsgame wrote:Nangwa wrote:
Maybe he was drunk.
You were about 6 years old when the great mahasiddha passed into parinirvana, so I doubt you remember him well. For those of us fortunate enough to meet and receive teachings from him, your statement places you in the category of those who are ruled by their expectations and self-interest. That is the biggest obstacle of all, and the one he worked so hard to encourage us to go beyond.
Instead of denigrating yourself by perpetuating ignorance of his upaya (he never hid anything from us--nothing), you should read the statements of His Holiness the 16th Karmapa who referred to Trungpa Rinpoche as the Lord of Dharma. Or to those of His Holiness Dilgo Khyentse who said that he was "equal to myself". Thrangu Rinpoche who constantly praises him everytime the subject comes up. Do I need to go on?
So do us all a favour and go sit instead of reinforcing spiritual materialism and causing doubt in the minds of new students. Thanks.
He did drink a lot though.
To hide the facts of his drinking a womanizing would be far worse for new students than to be upfront about them.
Trungpa Rinpoche did a lot of great work for a lot of students and we are still feeling it today, and will for a long time.
Lighten up there chief.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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illusionsgame wrote:Nangwa wrote:
Maybe he was drunk.
You were about 6 years old when the great mahasiddha passed into parinirvana, so I doubt you remember him well. For those of us fortunate enough to meet and receive teachings from him, your statement places you in the category of those who are ruled by their expectations and self-interest. That is the biggest obstacle of all, and the one he worked so hard to encourage us to go beyond.
Instead of denigrating yourself by perpetuating ignorance of his upaya (he never hid anything from us--nothing), you should read the statements of His Holiness the 16th Karmapa who referred to Trungpa Rinpoche as the Lord of Dharma. Or to those of His Holiness Dilgo Khyentse who said that he was "equal to myself". Thrangu Rinpoche who constantly praises him everytime the subject comes up. Do I need to go on?
So do us all a favour and go sit instead of reinforcing spiritual materialism and causing doubt in the minds of new students. Thanks.
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Dhondrub wrote:illusionsgame wrote:Nangwa wrote:
Maybe he was drunk.
You were about 6 years old when the great mahasiddha passed into parinirvana, so I doubt you remember him well. For those of us fortunate enough to meet and receive teachings from him, your statement places you in the category of those who are ruled by their expectations and self-interest. That is the biggest obstacle of all, and the one he worked so hard to encourage us to go beyond.
Instead of denigrating yourself by perpetuating ignorance of his upaya (he never hid anything from us--nothing), you should read the statements of His Holiness the 16th Karmapa who referred to Trungpa Rinpoche as the Lord of Dharma. Or to those of His Holiness Dilgo Khyentse who said that he was "equal to myself". Thrangu Rinpoche who constantly praises him everytime the subject comes up. Do I need to go on?
So do us all a favour and go sit instead of reinforcing spiritual materialism and causing doubt in the minds of new students. Thanks.
"All the sublime teachings, so profound--to throw away one and then grab yet another will not bear even a single fruit. Persevere, therefore, in simply one."
--Dudjom Rinpoche, "Nectar for the Hearts of Fortunate Disciples. Song No. 8"
--Dudjom Rinpoche, "Nectar for the Hearts of Fortunate Disciples. Song No. 8"
Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa
Lotus_Bitch wrote:starting a progressive death metal band with female vocals.
Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa
x3illusionsgame wrote:Nangwa wrote:
Maybe he was drunk.
You were about 6 years old when the great mahasiddha passed into parinirvana, so I doubt you remember him well. For those of us fortunate enough to meet and receive teachings from him, your statement places you in the category of those who are ruled by their expectations and self-interest. That is the biggest obstacle of all, and the one he worked so hard to encourage us to go beyond.
Instead of denigrating yourself by perpetuating ignorance of his upaya (he never hid anything from us--nothing), you should read the statements of His Holiness the 16th Karmapa who referred to Trungpa Rinpoche as the Lord of Dharma. Or to those of His Holiness Dilgo Khyentse who said that he was "equal to myself". Thrangu Rinpoche who constantly praises him everytime the subject comes up. Do I need to go on?
So do us all a favour and go sit instead of reinforcing spiritual materialism and causing doubt in the minds of new students. Thanks.
Who was hiding anything?Nangwa wrote:To hide the facts of his drinking a womanizing would be far worse for new students than to be upfront about them.
Is that a respectful request or something else?Nangwa wrote:Lighten up there chief.
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I'm not really sure what all the guff is about to be honest.michaelb wrote:x3illusionsgame wrote:Nangwa wrote:
Maybe he was drunk.
You were about 6 years old when the great mahasiddha passed into parinirvana, so I doubt you remember him well. For those of us fortunate enough to meet and receive teachings from him, your statement places you in the category of those who are ruled by their expectations and self-interest. That is the biggest obstacle of all, and the one he worked so hard to encourage us to go beyond.
Instead of denigrating yourself by perpetuating ignorance of his upaya (he never hid anything from us--nothing), you should read the statements of His Holiness the 16th Karmapa who referred to Trungpa Rinpoche as the Lord of Dharma. Or to those of His Holiness Dilgo Khyentse who said that he was "equal to myself". Thrangu Rinpoche who constantly praises him everytime the subject comes up. Do I need to go on?
So do us all a favour and go sit instead of reinforcing spiritual materialism and causing doubt in the minds of new students. Thanks.Who was hiding anything?Nangwa wrote:To hide the facts of his drinking a womanizing would be far worse for new students than to be upfront about them.Is that a respectful request or something else?Nangwa wrote:Lighten up there chief.
If nobody is hiding anything about these behaviors, why all the vitriol?
Trunpa Rinpoche gets a free pass, I'm not sure why this is the case.
What started as a quip has really become a tailspin in this thread.
I had no idea people would be so offended by a meaningless remark about something we all know.
It seems to me that illusionsgame's post is both bitter, and romantic.
All of the backslapping is pretty bizarre really.
Go ahead and keep it up though if you want.
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Trungpa weenies tend to be touchy.
Thoroughly tame your own mind.
This is (possibly) the teaching of Buddha.
"I must finally conclude that this proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind."
- Descartes, 2nd Meditation 25
This is (possibly) the teaching of Buddha.
"I must finally conclude that this proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind."
- Descartes, 2nd Meditation 25
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Re: Random question on Chogyam Trungpa
It appears they still have a long way to go if they get offended by what other people say about their teacher. Spiritual materialism? LOL. Pot calling kettle black I think.Trungpa weenies tend to be touchy.
I don't know where we are going but it will be nice when we get there
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usually i feel uncomfortable when people are dissrespcetful even to some anonymous user on the forum. is it something wrong with that?AdmiralJim wrote:It appears they still have a long way to go if they get offended by what other people say about their teacher. Spiritual materialism? LOL. Pot calling kettle black I think.Trungpa weenies tend to be touchy.
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I fail to see where any disrespect is coming from?
I don't know where we are going but it will be nice when we get there
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Dude your teachers didnt teach you anything? Show some courtesy. Your bad mouthing of Lamas and there Sangha just disqualifies you in the end.gad rgyangs wrote:Trungpa weenies tend to be touchy.