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by treehuggingoctopus
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:07 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Rigpa vs. Alaya (continued)
Replies: 18
Views: 1127

Re: Rigpa vs. Alaya (continued)

You can and should discuss this with your teachers. But terms like rigpa, gzhi, kunzhi, etc are basic terminology whose meanings don’t change. Anyone serious about practising Dzogchen should understand those meanings. Believe it or not, but ChNN would discourage some people I know from inquiring ab...
by treehuggingoctopus
Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:51 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Rigpa vs. Alaya (continued)
Replies: 18
Views: 1127

Re: Rigpa vs. Alaya (continued)

You can and should discuss this with your teachers. But terms like rigpa, gzhi, kunzhi, etc are basic terminology whose meanings don’t change. Anyone serious about practising Dzogchen should understand those meanings. Believe it or not, but ChNN would discourage some people I know from inquiring ab...
by treehuggingoctopus
Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:31 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Rigpa vs. Alaya (continued)
Replies: 18
Views: 1127

Re: Rigpa vs. Alaya (continued)

I understand I will not endear myself to any people posting in/following such threads, but I have one of my Martin Luther moments, and cannot but speak: These are things to be talked about with one's teachers. There is nothing to be gained in "settling" such issues by reading what in the e...
by treehuggingoctopus
Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:43 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Initiation during the SMS Base exam / SMS 1 traning on Crimea in 2013?
Replies: 4
Views: 252

Re: Initiation during the SMS Base exam / SMS 1 traning on Crimea in 2013?

Hello, I know this has been 10 years, but I am trying to clarify some empowerment from my past and surely someone know better than me on this amazing forum. When we did the SMS Base exam on Crimea (Kunsangar South), there was a classic-style empowerment from ChNNR. What I am trying to find out is w...
by treehuggingoctopus
Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:06 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Initiation during the SMS Base exam / SMS 1 traning on Crimea in 2013?
Replies: 4
Views: 252

Re: Initiation during the SMS Base exam / SMS 1 traning on Crimea in 2013?

Hello, I know this has been 10 years, but I am trying to clarify some empowerment from my past and surely someone know better than me on this amazing forum. When we did the SMS Base exam on Crimea (Kunsangar South), there was a classic-style empowerment from ChNNR. What I am trying to find out is w...
by treehuggingoctopus
Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:49 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

He probably cares because he was/is a DC member and cares about the future of it, and of ChNNs legacy. I feel similarly. It would be weird for a student of Rinpoches to -not- care about goings on in the DC. Precisely. Still a member, btw. I have heard Yeshi say that lungs are are an embellishment o...
by treehuggingoctopus
Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:42 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

Anyway, I will bow out now, I think. PS. I am not trying to judge Yeshi here. I do not consider him my teacher, and never have, and probably never will, but as far as I am concerned, he is entitled to his views, whether I share them or not, and certainly has his reasons to hold them. His father nev...
by treehuggingoctopus
Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:21 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

...he has more than once dismissed lungs and lung transmissions as outdated cultural artifacts... ...seems to consider them a useless ornament... This is completely false. You could probably say that Yeshi considers Dzogchen far superior than Vajrayana and something that the Dzogchen Community need...
by treehuggingoctopus
Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:52 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

Basically, lungs are not important. I don't think Rinpoche would agree. One could also ask how can the newcomer who has Yeshi Namkhai's transmission "deepen their understanding and knowledge of secondary practices transmitted by Chögyal Namkhai Norbu." Yeshi does not transmit the latter. ...
by treehuggingoctopus
Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:29 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

Thanks for your very interesting answers. I guess the end of the tunnel is unfortunately not soon to come... A lung-related update: "For those newcomers who have Yeshi Namkhai's transmission and who are seeking to deepen their understanding and knowledge of secondary practices transmitted by C...
by treehuggingoctopus
Thu Feb 29, 2024 6:31 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

Thanks for your very interesting answers. I guess the end of the tunnel is unfortunately not soon to come... A lung-related update: "For those newcomers who have Yeshi Namkhai's transmission and who are seeking to deepen their understanding and knowledge of secondary practices transmitted by C...
by treehuggingoctopus
Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:30 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

Thanks for your very interesting answers. I guess the end of the tunnel is unfortunately not soon to come... I am afraid so, very much. The fact that the IDG deliberately avoids clarifying things or responding to what Yeshi says (during the last Merigar event he said that while he provides DI for t...
by treehuggingoctopus
Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:24 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

I hope ye guys will not jump at my throat because I raise the following questions... Please bear with me, I’m just trying to understand the situation which is quite opaque to me. I’d be really interested in having clear answers (although I understand the subject is a total mess, at least for me...)...
by treehuggingoctopus
Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:17 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

ChNN was so clear on these things in so many ways even if he didn’t spell it out publicly in order not to force anything on anyone... And yet not just we here, but Rinpoche's students in general, including people who followed him for half a century, cannot agree what in this context he was so paten...
by treehuggingoctopus
Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:18 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

The one thing that the DC members should be concerned about is the survival of his termas. But that’s not something the DC can really help with as an organization. Well, there is the khenpo who is an authorised Longsal holder (and does get a mention in the letter). He can be officially invited to t...
by treehuggingoctopus
Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:44 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

The one thing that the DC members should be concerned about is the survival of his termas. But that’s not something the DC can really help with as an organization. Well, there is the khenpo who is an authorised Longsal holder (and does get a mention in the letter). He can be officially invited to t...
by treehuggingoctopus
Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:23 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

jet.urgyen wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:18 pmwhy in the hell every teacher wants a dharma center of his/her own
They do not.
The vast majority of teachers do not want ANY centre at all.
by treehuggingoctopus
Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:53 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

if you think about ChNN, think he is very active about the DC. Things will untangle. I hope you are right, but it doesn't look like you are. Arguing about who can give direct introduction when there are numerous Nyingma teachers that can do that is weird. Do you really think Rinpoche gave direct in...
by treehuggingoctopus
Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:56 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

Yeshe has been giving transmission when rinpoche was alive and since last year again. In a more formal or informal way. If you are into more formal for example he gave it yeshe zangthal form in my country. Does that way satisfy you? It also says that tsultrim allione is authorized to teach chod, wh...
by treehuggingoctopus
Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:51 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Lung oral transmission
Replies: 82
Views: 4981

Re: Lung oral transmission

The letter for me it's very clear. Transmit, teach. The same In fact yeshe has been giving direct transmission when rinpoche was alive also. I really dont know why ppl complicate this so much If it was all the same, then the same letter empowers Nina to "transmit" Mandarava, and Costantin...

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