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by Thundering Cloud
Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:04 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What Is just (((IS)))
Replies: 8
Views: 304

Re: What Is just (((IS)))

Queequeg wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:14 pm
Are you trying to trick me into being logical? Phooey.
Hmmm… what reasoning would lead you to that conclusion? :smile:
by Thundering Cloud
Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:00 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What Is just (((IS)))
Replies: 8
Views: 304

Re: What Is just (((IS)))

Queequeg wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:29 pm
Thundering Cloud wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:48 am
I'm a big fan of logic myself. :smile:
Logic is overrated. Phooey.

:stirthepot:
Oh yeah? Can you prove it? :rolling:
by Thundering Cloud
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:48 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What Is just (((IS)))
Replies: 8
Views: 304

Re: What Is just (((IS)))

Logically, neither the presence of What Is, nor the fact that It has ANY discernible features at all (let alone It's two permanent ones [one of which can be justifiably conceptualized as 'Ever-changing Form', and the other as 'Ever-changeless Formlessness'] and all of It's many impermanent ones [ea...
by Thundering Cloud
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:51 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Issues with ending a friendship
Replies: 25
Views: 821

Re: Issues with ending a friendship

So I ended a friendship recently, not the closest friend, but we had some in depth conversations and such over a period of a couple years. I usually let other people decide whether or not to be friends with me and make a point of never cutting people off, but in this case I couldn't take it. I'm le...
by Thundering Cloud
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:21 am
Forum: Meditation
Topic: Cessation of dukkha
Replies: 72
Views: 2192

Re: Cessation of dukkha

[...] But isn't it impossible to stop consciousness? Focusing on one object is still a conscious thought. Consciousness does not stop. Or should we not try to stop consciousness but only those conscious thoughts that lead to dukkha? The theme of "stopping consciousness" also arises in discussions o...
by Thundering Cloud
Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:42 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

My somewhat zen perspective is that all methods of Buddhadharma work to get rid of ego’s self-grasping. For me, logic is a kind of discriminating wisdom that destroys wrong views. Without these obscurations, reality of suchness will reveal itself and Buddha nature will shine. For me, Faith is faith...
by Thundering Cloud
Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

Sure, but at the same time one could argue that if you are being entirely logical and rational, one would also need a logical and rational reason to suspect that The Buddha in particular, might be lying or saying untrue things, etc. It's understandable, but at the same time, not exactly logical to ...
by Thundering Cloud
Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:29 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

They complement each other perfectly. It's entirely logical to have faith in someone (Buddha) who, so far, has shown you nothing but true and beneficial things. It's quite logical to have faith in someone who has an impeccable reputation for being wise, truthful and never untruthful. It's very logi...
by Thundering Cloud
Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:36 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

Believe it or not, I'm not here to argue for arguing's sake. So I'm not going to uselessly engage on this point. But I should explain why I'm focusing on this. Earlier you said: So, everyone's conceptual view of the (for now, presumably objective) world is individualized and unique to them And my i...
by Thundering Cloud
Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:38 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

I see what you're saying. Do you see what I'm saying? In the case of all three being integers... what is individualized or relative about the application of axiom? The understanding of "integers", just for a start, is not the same for everyone. Some people think of the positive half of them as "mor...
by Thundering Cloud
Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:09 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

dolphin_color wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:58 pm
If a, b, and c are integers, and I say a = b = c, and that therefore a = c, how is that individualized?
"Integers" are a conceptual abstraction, as is the notion of equivalence (as demonstrated above with an example from Physics).

Perhaps I am not understanding your question?
by Thundering Cloud
Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:07 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

So, everyone's conceptual view of the (for now, presumably objective) world is individualized and unique to them, because it is the result of their own inferences and guesswork. If I say a = b = c, then a = c. How is that individualized? Maybe a more concrete example: In Physics, there is a minimum...
by Thundering Cloud
Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:43 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

So, everyone's conceptual view of the (for now, presumably objective) world is individualized and unique to them, because it is the result of their own inferences and guesswork. If I say a = b = c, then a = c. How is that individualized? This is what is known as an axiom in mathematics (specificall...
by Thundering Cloud
Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:10 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

Sounds like you have an analytical mind. Nagarjuna is all about logic, and then bringing it to its limit. I think you'd find it rewarding, though I'd caution - its got a steep learning curve and like all of the higher Buddhist teachings, unless you're spiritually gifted, it requires years of study ...
by Thundering Cloud
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:03 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

Queequeg wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:22 pm
[...]
Have you studied Madhyamika?
I have read some of Nagarjuna's work, and what i read was very appealing. I haven't read or contemplated enough to say that I've studied it at this point, per se, though perhaps I should?
by Thundering Cloud
Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

As for myself, I needed to approach things from a very pragmatic and logical angle. What is the foundation of your dharma practice in logic and pragmatism, then? This is a good question, and I'll do my best to answer it here (without writing a novel in the process ^^; ). Certainly feel free to ask ...
by Thundering Cloud
Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:28 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

Any fixed belief that can be put into words is but another conceptual obfuscation, and so I do not interpret the Buddha's teaching as espousing any fixed belief Karma? Rebirth? Enlightenment itself? The path? Thinking of any of the above in conceptual terms is imputing too much, yes. For example, "...
by Thundering Cloud
Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:29 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

Nagarjuna’s tetralemma logically establishes that there no possible way to intellectually establish how phenomena abide. It is said the Dharmakaya is beyond all thought. Yet it can be directly experienced. So before it is experienced directly, how do we base our Dharma practice? One way to start is...
by Thundering Cloud
Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:17 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Faith & logic
Replies: 50
Views: 1178

Re: Faith & logic

I rely on logic to subvert my mental conceptualizations, and this is a very significant part of my practice currently. Merely by doing that, I am able to experience moments of calm and clarity. Insofar as "faith" means accepting a belief or conclusion purely on someone else's authority (even the Bud...
by Thundering Cloud
Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:13 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Schrodinger's Tathagatagharbha?
Replies: 20
Views: 850

Re: Schrodinger's Tathagatagharbha?

well, yes, but I think the point here is more that we already know the quantum level very intimately - Buddhist logic simply states that any and all attempts to grasp will necessarily fall short - in this sense the problem is not one of gaining access to experience, but rather to understand the rel...

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