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by seeker242
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:49 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Why is it correct not to believe in a soul?
Replies: 28
Views: 578

Re: Buddhism vs Hinduism

Tohunga wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:01 am
Is there a difference between true nature buddhism and true self hinduism
Yes, true self Hinduism has some thing at the center of it, true nature Buddhism doesn't.
by seeker242
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:24 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: "practice in daily life"
Replies: 12
Views: 316

Re: "practice in daily life"

I don’t know what Meido meant by “adjusting one’s life to fit practice.” I don’t think of it as an “adjusting”, but as, and as best I can, applying the Dharma to the moment. It could easily be said that this is “adjusting one’s life to fit practice.”, if previously you never actually did that. Doin...
by seeker242
Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:24 pm
Forum: Meditation
Topic: Starting with meditation: my case - Any suggestions?
Replies: 10
Views: 505

Re: Starting with meditation: my case - Any suggestions?

However, little by little I would like to see some progress. I have read for years about Buddhism and I feel it may be my path, but its not the same to read about it than to actually practice it, so even if I try not to desperate I can't help but be worried that because of finding meditation too di...
by seeker242
Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:48 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

What I mean is that a person can know Buddha mind well that they don’t need to utilize books in order to guide people to it. That is not what relying on the scriptures means. It means that the source of one's knowledge originates from them. And if they knew Buddha mind well enough, the source of on...
by seeker242
Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:46 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

Because they understand it well enough without having to continue reading books about it Do you mean that everything there is to know to attain buddhahood is found in buddha-mind, and a Zen teacher knows buddha-mind "well enough" to no longer need to study the Buddha's teachings? What I mean is tha...
by seeker242
Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:47 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

I don't agree. If one understands what "Buddha mind" is well enough, one would not need to rely on scriptures, as not needing to rely on scriptures is what "well enough" would mean to begin with. The sutras cover the whole path up to buddhahood. A bodhisattva is someone who is dedicated to master a...
by seeker242
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

Astus wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:47 pm

That would be a teaching according to the usual manner, relying on the scriptures,
I don't agree. If one understands what "Buddha mind" is well enough, one would not need to rely on scriptures, as not needing to rely on scriptures is what "well enough" would mean to begin with.
by seeker242
Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:33 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

they still insist on first gaining sudden awakening to buddha-mind. And sudden awakening to buddha-mind is something different from actually becoming a 100% perfect Buddha. As you can see above, there actually is a view that even a bodhisattva on the highest stage is not good enough. None of the qu...
by seeker242
Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:54 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

to claim that a person who has reached the 8th or 9th Bhumi, or the equivalent or whatever other scale that is used, to claim that that person would not be worthy of being called a zen master, or to claim that this would still somehow still be unsatisfactory, I just don't see how that is reasonable...
by seeker242
Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:01 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

A satisfactory level awakening. What is that level? I don't know, I'm not a zen master. However, to claim that a person who has reached the 8th or 9th Bhumi, or the equivalent or whatever other scale that is used, to claim that that person would not be worthy of being called a zen master, or to cla...
by seeker242
Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:27 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

It could be that the initial theory proposed above is just a wrong idea to begin with and zen transmission does not actually mean "this person is now a fully completed Buddha" What do you propose instead? If there is no transmission, no lineage, then there is no Zen school to talk of, as it is one ...
by seeker242
Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:41 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

"everything that had to be mastered" in order to do what though? Teach beings how to practice appropriately? Point them in the right direction, etc, etc? Which is what a teacher's job is. Does one really need to have attained anuttara samyak sambodhi in order to do that teacher job properly? In the...
by seeker242
Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:31 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

Dharma transmission in Zen is not about one person teaching another, but one person authorising another after that other has already mastered everything that had to be mastered. "everything that had to be mastered" in order to do what though? Teach beings how to practice appropriately? Point them i...
by seeker242
Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:05 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

Yes, Astus rejects utterly the notion of transmission, he always has. He thinks Dharma can be learned from books. Dharma transmission in Zen is not about one person teaching another, but one person authorising another after that other has already mastered everything that had to be mastered. "everyt...
by seeker242
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:54 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Are all phenomena equally empty in Madhyamaka?
Replies: 20
Views: 570

Re: Are all phenomena equally empty in Madhyamaka?

My problem is that it seems from a Madhyamaka point of view belief that a Self exists is equally wrong as belief that the consciousness aggregate arises and ceases based on causes and conditions (the dhamma theory). So the early Buddhist schools are just as misguided as non-Buddhists? I don't see a...
by seeker242
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:27 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:24 pm
seeker242 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:22 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:22 pm


A 100 day solo retreat is not very long.
Is 40 years long?
Depends, some people’s 40 years are longer than others.
The length isn't relevant. It was a example of the intensity of practicing.
by seeker242
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:22 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

Actually, what PeterC is saying isn't sectarian, but rather a response (in my mind anyway) to Western exceptionalism. What we (as the West in general, not any particular poster) are saying is that what takes decades in Asian countries (which have incorporated dharma into their national culture) can...
by seeker242
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:17 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

Since we’re now talking about contemporary practice in Japan, I’m hoping that Matylda will drop back in at some point. But my impression is definitely not that “awakening is mostly considered reserved for monastics”. I had the impression that there are many serious lay practitioners and they are ta...
by seeker242
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

Surely a monastic will have more training than a layperson, which is why I asked earlier what is the criteria. It seems to me that, at least from what I gathered from the Japanese people that visited us, is that awakening is mostly considered reserved for monastics, so laypeople don't really even t...
by seeker242
Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:39 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Are Zen teachers awakened?
Replies: 228
Views: 5811

Re: Are Zen teachers awakened?

Actually, what PeterC is saying isn't sectarian, but rather a response (in my mind anyway) to Western exceptionalism. What we (as the West in general, not any particular poster) are saying is that what takes decades in Asian countries (which have incorporated dharma into their national culture) can...

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