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by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:31 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

No you are quite correct. I have a range of firmly held views on a number of political, social and artistic matters. But I have no “opinions” on the Vajrayana. Like all Vajrayana students I merely put my feet into the footprints of the masters. You are either on or off the Vajrayana bus. ( To mix m...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:15 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

No you are quite correct. I have a range of firmly held views on a number of political, social and artistic matters. But I have no “opinions” on the Vajrayana. Like all Vajrayana students I merely put my feet into the footprints of the masters. You are either on or off the Vajrayana bus. ( To mix me...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:58 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

I can say with hand on heart that my conscience is entirely untroubled by lunch. Sharing meat meals with a number of highly regarded teachers tends to shape you in that direction. There is no escaping the fact. ChNN ate meat. As did Dudjom Rinpoche. As did the 16th Karmapa. They were spiritual giant...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:36 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

I suspect that there is an Elephant in the room.
Basically it’s about whether ones sympathies lie with Chinese/ East Asian Schools or with the Indo-Tibetan traditions.

Of course that’s a huge generalisation..but still....
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:58 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Efforts must be made to transcend Samsara. What we eat has little bearing on that. Chatral Rinpoche and ChNN each transcended Samsara to a degree that most of us can’t imagine. One was a lifelong vegetarian the other a carnivore. Their realisation stemmed from very different considerations and proc...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:55 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

I once knew a woman who was a full time abattoir worker until she had kids.After she went back to work when her youngest was about five it was to an office job with the same company. She said that she missed her old job which she did with as much care and as skilfully as she could. She was one of th...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:31 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Or until we Awaken. Until then it’s all Samsara. As they say, we must shit or get off the pot. Effort must be made to end samsara. Manana is always too late. As I'm arguing these things, I'm quite aware that my actions are not pure, by a long shot. Efforts must be made to transcend Samsara. What we...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:08 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

People who eat meat that would otherwise be thrown out are essentially doing this, and sadly there is a ton of meat that would otherwise just be thrown out. If someone buying meat in a grocery store is guilty of "slitting throats", then you are guilty of bombing thousands of Iraqis, Yemenis etc. th...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:38 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Yes I omitted a “ not” didn’t I? But it was not Freudian, just a slip.
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:34 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

If it is contrary to Dharma then at least one well regarded Buddhist community known to me are guilty of a breach. And they even “retire” the hens after they stop laying. Just like our local Vaisnavs “retire” their cows. But despite all the welfare given to their cows vegans would object despite th...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:17 pm
Forum: Suggestion Box
Topic: Subforum:Death
Replies: 10
Views: 211

Re: Subforum:Death

There are always those who choose instead to focus on Aliens and Time Travellers. As I said above, a Death subforum would be properly grown up. I am reminded of a chap I used to follow on E Sangha who posted plain good sense and was frequently amusing. Then I noticed that that if anyone mentioned de...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:02 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

If someone from that commune I mentioned where the hens are “retired” to a retirement pen until they die naturally, offered to cook you an egg from one of their hens , which are free range and live very comfortable lives would you eat it “seeker142”? It is btw not an imaginary situation they keep en...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:36 pm
Forum: Suggestion Box
Topic: Subforum:Death
Replies: 10
Views: 211

Re: Subforum:Death

I think it would be a potentially highly illuminating and properly grown up sub forum.
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:19 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

If it’s OK for ONE egg to be eaten then it’s OK for all eggs to be eaten because the issue becomes not the eating of the egg but the humane treatment of the chicken. Are you saying “seeker242” that if all eggs were produced by hens kept under conditions that parallel those of hens kept in yards and ...
by Simon E.
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

There is a vegetarian thread. It This is a vegan thread. Can some one please try and defend the proposition that eating eggs from well kept chickens in your back garden is contrary to Dharma? If no one can defend that, then we can consider the matter settled and close the thread. If it is contrary ...
by Simon E.
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:47 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: Hong Kong.
Replies: 18
Views: 285

Hong Kong.

I have to admire the courage being shown by the protestors. But I fear for them..
by Simon E.
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:19 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

If not eating eat was an absolute QQ then the Buddha would have proscribed it. After all Mahavira who was more or less a contemporary of Gautama DID proscribe it. Reading comprehension, Simon. To restate: The Buddha relied on alms and ate whatever was put in his begging bowl, including the meal fro...
by Simon E.
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:01 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Maybe I didn’t express it well. :namaste:
by Simon E.
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:07 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

I wasn't disputing there not being a single vajrayana diet, more so your take on it not mattering if an animal has it's last breath at slaughter or in a feild. But you have decontextualised that remark. Which was to do with the nature of Samsara. Not equating the nature of the deaths. I would soone...
by Simon E.
Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:29 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

I don’t think it negates my point at all Vasana. Chatral Rinpoche was indeed a lifelong vegetarian and insisted that his students followed suit. Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche on the other hand pretty much insisted that his students ate at least some meat. Which serves to underline my point. There is no sin...

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