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by dorje e gabbana
Wed May 30, 2012 12:06 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

If you wish to refrain from judging whether seventeen tantras, etc., are native Tibetan compositions or not, I can understand this. There are certainly a lot of reasons to suspect that they are, or if they are actually translations then they are very free translations. factually speaking, no one ha...
by dorje e gabbana
Tue May 29, 2012 11:49 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

If you bother to read any of the traditional accounts D&G, you will find out that Dzogchen was met with total hostility from Indian Buddhists by and large. Malcom, I really appreciate your way to judge with open mind and intellectual autonomy the atrocities of tibetan feudal society and the big inc...
by dorje e gabbana
Tue May 29, 2012 11:21 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

Sonam, Tunhuang texts you mentioned are Dzog chen texts - very simple and elementar - who prove, if ever, that dzogchen had a chinese diffusion ( Shri Simha origin was chinese as you probably know), but they do not prove that Dzog chen had an Indian diffusion at all. Furthermore I am not claiming th...
by dorje e gabbana
Tue May 29, 2012 11:02 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and Buddhism
Replies: 1454
Views: 99946

Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Yes...which is why ChNN encourages his Christian students to continue to go to church if they like. I know one member of the DC who is really into the Dzogchen teachings, was a member of the Tsegyalgar Gakyil a couple of years ago, and who is presently studying in a Baptist seminary in Kentucky. Hi...
by dorje e gabbana
Tue May 29, 2012 10:44 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

it is uncorrect under many POVs proposing the reduction that dzogchen desappeared from India because of Buddhist hostility. Well Malcom but you did not answer to the main point above Oh, thought you knew your Dzogchen history better. There was only one copy of the Dzogchen tantras, according to the...
by dorje e gabbana
Tue May 29, 2012 10:13 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

Everyone here have expressed their utmost respect and appreciation for ChNNR, to my knowledge no one have attacked him or you. Something else is making you very agitated.... Absolutely Yes! BTW historically, an old text, the Man-ngag lta-ba'i phreng-ba, written by Padmasambhava himself, does not tr...
by dorje e gabbana
Tue May 29, 2012 8:17 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

it is uncorrect under many POVs proposing the reduction that dzogchen desappeared from India because of Buddhist hostility.
Well Malcom but you did not answer to the main point above
by dorje e gabbana
Tue May 29, 2012 8:12 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and Buddhism
Replies: 1454
Views: 99946

Re: The Future of Dzogchen Teachings

There are just as many concepts in Dzogchen that absolutely contradict accepted Buddhist ideas. it is the same thing that Indian Buddhist Scholars thought before sending Manjushrimitra to debate with Garab Dorje to demonstrate he was not a buddhist master but an erethical, because he apparently con...
by dorje e gabbana
Tue May 29, 2012 8:01 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

The answer is that due to Buddhist hostility against Dzogchen teachings, Dzogchen completlety died out in India. It was preserved in Tibet by Tibetans. Malcom, As matter of fact not only Dzogchen desappeared from India, but all Buddhism in general, Vajrayana included, due to the Muslims' activity. ...
by dorje e gabbana
Tue May 29, 2012 7:36 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

Yeah, who are the great Dzogchen masters in the last few centuries that didn't have a Buddhist or Buddhist-colored Bon background?
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NOT EVEN ONE MASTER. In case you say it is not true, please give us the list of the masters
by dorje e gabbana
Tue May 29, 2012 6:55 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and Buddhism
Replies: 1454
Views: 99946

Re: Institutional Buddhism

CNNR has changed his mind about his position of considering himself as a Buddhist teacher or not 3 times, troghout the years. So I think this discussion is very relative, because CNNR's positions are very fluid and change troughout the years. 1) In the late 80's and early 90's he publicly stated he ...
by dorje e gabbana
Mon May 28, 2012 10:12 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

H.H. Penor Rinpoche has been one of my Dzogchen Masters, as well. I have heard a lot of nonsense about his decision to recognize those 2 Americans as Tulkus. And here I distinguish the "madness of the Western mind": From the one hand, we are protesting and moaning because Tibetan Masters are sooo t...
by dorje e gabbana
Mon May 28, 2012 7:46 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

Could you please share? Maybe through PM if not publicly? Pero, I am happy to share publicly the experienced we had in Tarragona with CNNR about 22 yrs AGO, because we did not receive any samaya about not speaking about that. :smile: The retreat place was surrounded by little hills and a lot of bus...
by dorje e gabbana
Mon May 28, 2012 7:02 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

There is a big difference between not showing signs of realization and "not being able to show" signs of realization. Speaking in general, without doing any reference to this particular master or anotherone. If you can display some sign of realization you do it spontaneosly in dzog chen, because yo...
by dorje e gabbana
Mon May 28, 2012 6:15 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

Pero, you are a good observer. :twothumbsup: Fortunately we are very dissimilar! Perhaps you should be a less fanatic "attacker". Honestly I'm totally flabbergasted by your response to a simple question. I am not attacking anybody. As I have written it is only a general consideration about realizati...
by dorje e gabbana
Mon May 28, 2012 6:04 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

I don't really have an opinion either way about Yeshi at the moment but, how do you know he hasn't? As I have written in dzogchen that kind of realizations come out spontaneosly as an energy manifestation of your rigpa, when you are teaching dzog chen, as it happens to Adzom Rimpoche, and many othe...
by dorje e gabbana
Mon May 28, 2012 5:50 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

Hey Old Dorje pizza how're you doing? You come on this forum only for me because you got a crash on me :heart:
by dorje e gabbana
Mon May 28, 2012 5:04 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

And what can you possibly know about Yeshe's abilities? No doubt he would have shown such an ability if he had had such a realization pointed out by CNNR his father. For example Adzom Rimpoche a dzog chen master and Terton of our days, recently in both the US and Tibet has many times showed exactly...
by dorje e gabbana
Mon May 28, 2012 4:55 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

am sure Kienze Yeshe is a good guy, but there is no evidence is able to read and consequently transimit a Longchenpa text, Khandro Nyntig or whatever another Dzog chen teaching written in tibetan, as CNNR can easily do , or whatever other tulku fully trained can do. I think Kienze Yeshe is not even...
by dorje e gabbana
Mon May 28, 2012 4:30 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Institutional Buddhism
Replies: 650
Views: 39554

Re: Institutional Buddhism

Some people have a stronger connection with the teachings. Not all small kids meditate and see tigles that they can draw. Not all kids can give an explanation of the four Das. Yeshe could, even when apparently when he was a kid he didn't pay a lot of attention to the teachings. It's natural that he...