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by Jayarava
Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:53 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

The main thing you fail to explain, in fact, is how all these highly skilled Indian Panditas were unable to detect that the text before them was spurious, great paṇḍitas such as Śṛī Siṃhaprabha, his disciple, Vimalamitra, and so on. If one is to take your contention seriously, one has to assume tha...
by Jayarava
Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:06 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

The point is that the fact that there was an earlier witness to a Sanskrit original, that is, an earlier translation, puts into question Nattier's idea that the Heart Sūtra was a Chinese psuedographia. Earlier than what? Remember that we have no idea when Woncheuk was writing. How do we know the Sa...
by Jayarava
Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:25 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

You also totally overlooked the fact that the first sentence you quoted was a question and not a statement. ;) It's all about context. You wanted to know why I considered the four criteria to be religious. And I pointed out that you think they are too. Which does prove my point. Of course you are: ...
by Jayarava
Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:34 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

Dan Lusthaus argues pretty convincingly here that Wongchuk's commentary includes quotations from an unknown translation that allegedly predates Xuanzang's translation, which also doesn't bode well for Nattier's theory. I don't find Lusthaus convincing at all. A close reading of his argument tells u...
by Jayarava
Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:02 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

Hi Grigori, Two quotes from your reply strike me: You can call it a closed, or self-referential, system of criteria, but that does not necessarily make them religious. What, for example, is religious about the statement: all phenomena are compounded and thus impermanent? It comes as a surprise to yo...
by Jayarava
Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:43 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

My published Heart Sutra articles. Attwood, Jayarava (2015). 'Heart Murmurs: Some Problems with Conze’s Prajñāpāramitāhṛdaya.' Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies . 8. 2015: 28-48. Attwood, Jayarava. (2017). ‘Epithets of the Mantra’ in the Heart Sutra.’ Journal of the Oxford Centre for...
by Jayarava
Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:32 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

If one judges teachings on the basis of the Four Dharma Seals then it means that teachings that are not strictly Buddhist can be considered Dharma, how then does that make one a religious Buddhist? These are religious Buddhist truth criteria. No one outside of religious Buddhists consider them to b...
by Jayarava
Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:52 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that judging a teaching on the basis of the Four Dharma Seals makes one a "religious Buddhist"? Sure. As a generalisation, the four Dharma seals are a religious teaching on metaphysics. Of course, I don't know how you personally interpret the four propo...
by Jayarava
Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:22 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

Well, yes, but that doesn't mean we don't care where teachings come from, or that we have no criteria for deciding whether something is or isn't the dharma. If it satisfies the Four Dharma Seals then why should I give a crap where it came from and who said/wrote it? This is a fair point. The audien...
by Jayarava
Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:18 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

First of all, one has to have respect for Jayarava’s commitment as an autodidact and his work ethic. Unfortunately he lacks the linguistic or research background to really be doing this work. True. I am competent in Sanskrit, but only muddle through in Chinese. Any corrections would be gratefully r...
by Jayarava
Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:10 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

Yes, in fact Wonchuk does avow the authenticity of the Sanskrit copy with which he is familiar by pointing out flaws in the earlier translation at his disposal. This itself is a testimony to the fact that Wongchuk regards the text as authentic. If he did not think it authentic, he never would have ...
by Jayarava
Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:02 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese
Replies: 77
Views: 4492

Re: Jayarava's New Thesis on Heart Sutra: Sanskrit Version Deliberate Forgery by Tang Chinese

How the hell does one learn Middle Chinese and not Mandarin ? Furthermore and not Mandarin at all ? One teaches oneself by comparing Middle Indic and Sanskrit texts with their Middle Chinese counterparts. When I asked Anālayo about it, this was what he recommended. Mandarin is not much help in read...
by Jayarava
Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:04 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: 般若佛姆心咒
Replies: 11
Views: 777

Re: 般若佛姆心咒

Look at the very end of his Diamond Sutra: 那謨婆伽跋帝缽喇壤波羅弭多曳唵伊利底伊室利輸盧馱毘舍耶毘舍耶莎婆訶 namo bhagavatīprajñāpāramitāyai oṃ īriti īṣiri śruta viṣaya viṣaya svāhā This is much more obviously an anachronism. Kumārajīva worked mainly in the early 5th Century, long before Tantric buddhism was invented. The salutat...
by Jayarava
Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:43 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: 般若佛姆心咒
Replies: 11
Views: 777

Re: 般若佛姆心咒

oṃ , a feature of Tantric Buddhism that post-dates the death of Xuanzang by about a century. Is this well-established? Buddhists didn't invent oṃ . Anyone could have included it in an addition of the text if they were familiar with the practice. Any solid information on earlier use of oṃ in Buddhis...
by Jayarava
Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:57 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: 般若佛姆心咒
Replies: 11
Views: 777

般若佛姆心咒

Does anyone have any information about this text 般若佛姆心咒 which is found tacked onto the end of Xuanzang's translation of Prajñāpāramitā texts T220? It has the Heart Sutra dhāraṇī presented as a mantra (beginning with oṃ ). It strikes me as anachronistic, if only because it includes oṃ , a feature of ...
by Jayarava
Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:50 am
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Prajnaparamita Heart Sutra: "Until we come to..."
Replies: 6
Views: 722

Re: Prajnaparamita Heart Sutra: "Until we come to..."

Some translations of the Prajnaparamita Heart Sutra include the phrase, "...until we come to..." what does that mean? "NO EYE, EAR, NOSE, TONGUE, BODY OR MIND; NO FORM, SOUND, SMELL, TASTE, TOUCH OR MIND OBJECT; NO REALM OF THE EYE, UNTIL WE COME TO NO REALM OF CONSCIOUSNESS." . . . It is a way of ...
by Jayarava
Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:06 pm
Forum: Media
Topic: Chinese demolition order - Larung Gar
Replies: 7
Views: 739

Re: Cinese demolition order - Larung Gar

Funny how fanatics like you paint everything in two shades. All these hurtful personal comments, Malcolm. Isn't making ad hominen attacks against the rules? But since you react with typical English colonial sentiments, there is no point is discussing it with you further. Who is English? I'm certain...
by Jayarava
Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:37 pm
Forum: Media
Topic: Chinese demolition order - Larung Gar
Replies: 7
Views: 739

Re: Cinese demolition order - Larung Gar

So typical of you...judgmental, patronizing, colonialist, etc. Let your hate flow Malcolm. The Dark Side is strong in you. The place is run by a woman. The sangha there is the largest in the world and runs by consensus. It cannot be run "by a woman" and "by consensus" - that is a logical contradict...
by Jayarava
Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:43 pm
Forum: Media
Topic: Chinese demolition order - Larung Gar
Replies: 23
Views: 2875

Re: Cinese demolition order - Larung Gar

That link doesn't work for me. It works for me. But I shortened it. Here is the original: http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/asia/larung-gar-is-a-monastic-encampment-in-the-tibetan-highlands/news-story/5a76495669ddac140be45e11715e6499 I kind of wonder why so many people would want to move t...
by Jayarava
Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:37 pm
Forum: Media
Topic: Chinese demolition order - Larung Gar
Replies: 23
Views: 2875

Re: Cinese demolition order - Larung Gar

Perhaps we should let people live their lives where and how they'd like and not let the Chinese government evict more TIbetans from their homes? It seems to me that these Tibetans have probably abandoned their homes to live in this slum. Remember, it didn't exist 40 years ago. And the majority of t...

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