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by Queequeg
Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:47 am
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:12 am
To me, that is just crap behavior period, and I've seen it exhibited from enough vegans to feel like it's a pattern - including the films they make, blogs they write, etc.
Well. I can't say I have the same experience. My demeanor must convey an attitude.

by Queequeg
Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:02 am
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Lots of non-Vajrayana Buddhists are not vegetarian or vegan. Quite true. Also as Simon points out, there is no prohibition of eating meat, and the Buddha rejected Devadatta when he tried to establish such a rule. The interplay between the precept against taking life and the bhikku's diet, however, ...
by Queequeg
Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:02 am
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

When it becomes Lifestyle Politics is where I take issue with it. On that, I agree. I probably should mention - I had lunch with a friend who is a bit of Paleo/Crossfit culty. He suggested Korean BBQ, so that's what we had. Big piles of grilled meat for lunch. What I've been picking at are these va...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:29 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

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Yes, of course. Absolutely seriously. It can give you the comfortable feeling that you are more perfect than others, whereas the only thing that really matters is realization. Because of this, following rules can be an obstacle. You need more than that. So you're telling me a rule I should follow w...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:26 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

No you are quite correct. I have a range of firmly held views on a number of political, social and artistic matters. But I have no “opinions” on the Vajrayana. Like all Vajrayana students I merely put my feet into the footprints of the masters. You are either on or off the Vajrayana bus. ( To mix m...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:06 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Simon E. wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:58 pm

Who am I to question them?
Who are you to opine anything, really. Right?

Oh, go on. Sorry to get in the way.

You were saying?
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:04 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Following rules can pretty much cause one to create an illusion of being superior. Are YOU seriously making that argument? :rolling: Yes, of course. Absolutely seriously. It can give you the comfortable feeling that you are more perfect than others, whereas the only thing that really matters is rea...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:57 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

tatpurusa wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:52 pm
Following rules can pretty much cause one to create an illusion of being superior.
Are YOU seriously making that argument?

:rolling:
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:49 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Simon E. wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:36 pm
I suspect that there is an Elephant in the room.
Basically it’s about whether ones sympathies lie with Chinese/ East Asian Schools or with the Indo-Tibetan traditions.

Of course that’s a huge generalisation..but still....
Whatever eases your conscience.
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:48 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Would you argue that eating meat is just as serious of an offence than killing humans? This explicitely contradicts traditional Buddhist teachings. No. But if you can also stop stealing, sounds like a plan. Stop contributing to the suffering of beings being slaughtered for food? That's great, too. ...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:32 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

So, some samsara is just being human, but other samsara is something we should work on. Would you argue that eating meat is just as serious of an offence than killing humans? This explicitely contradicts traditional Buddhist teachings. No. But if you can also stop stealing, sounds like a plan. Stop...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:29 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:16 pm
What's the overall point you're trying to make here?
Basically
viewtopic.php?f=110&t=26037&start=440#p510130

Just adding a alaya consciousness analysis to it.
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:14 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Within nature all creatures have their natural food they have lived on for millions of years. In case of humans this includes meat, so it can be argued that this is about as much determined by our place within nature, by our biology and our place within the food chain than in case of wolves and dog...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:14 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Oh there's definitely some impact, I just think the diversity of people's circumstances make it pretty hard to claim that we know the karmic status of these things for other people - including meat abstinence. As I mentioned, if this were true, then everyone who is poor and preoccupied enough with ...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:03 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

I know their students. I know the impact. When a huge storm goes through a forest you can see the traces left. Imagine that in positive terms and you can see the passage of those masters through the lives of scores of their students. That's a nice quip. Not sure it would stand up to scrutiny. I'll ...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:49 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Efforts must be made to transcend Samsara. What we eat has little bearing on that. Chatral Rinpoche and ChNN each transcended Samsara to a degree that most of us can’t imagine. One was a lifelong vegetarian the other a carnivore. Their realisation stemmed from very different considerations and proc...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:47 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Does it matter? Yeah of course it does, but it doesn't amount to a direct "intent to kill", and a claim that it does is a fundamental misunderstanding of Karma. If you know that your act contributes, then the culpability is there. It may not have the same karmic amplitude as knifing a person in a f...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:18 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

Re: Great Vegan Debate

Simon E. wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:08 pm
Or until we Awaken. Until then it’s all Samsara.
As they say, we must shit or get off the pot. Effort must be made to end samsara. Manana is always too late.

As I'm arguing these things, I'm quite aware that my actions are not pure, by a long shot.
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

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Sure, we all share some sort of collective karma for such things. Personally I would rather put my energies towards actively doing good things than passively avoiding things in which I have a small karmic footprint. Frankly I think "action" of that sort often amounts to a cop out. Not everyone reac...
by Queequeg
Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:59 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet and Fitness
Topic: Great Vegan Debate
Replies: 553
Views: 30231

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People who eat meat that would otherwise be thrown out are essentially doing this, and sadly there is a ton of meat that would otherwise just be thrown out. If someone buying meat in a grocery store is guilty of "slitting throats", then you are guilty of bombing thousands of Iraqis, Yemenis etc. th...

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