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by Jyoti
Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:06 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

In this prespective, in the standpoint of buddha, we have no other choice than the four reliances, 'a person' (or teacher) also is one of the element of uncertainty, every person has their own agenda and opinions, so can never be recommended as a source to be relied, in this case, only the dharma i...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:17 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

Once you receive the direct introduction, you moved on with your life, instead of binding your life with the raft. When you receive the direct introduction that is the actual beginning of the path. This also where you realise why you need a Guru. It would seem that you missed out, but it is not to ...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:39 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

You are in the wrong forum, then lady. The ultimate authority in Vajrayāna is the guru. Dzogchen is of definitive teaching, vajrayana teaching is not definitive, that's why the latter need a teacher. This is the reason I never post in vajrayana related forum. Those of definitive teaching does not n...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:21 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

You seem to regard Sakyamuni as the only Buddha and only source of reliable teachings. You did not personally hear him teach, nor did you hear him explain his teachings. You are totally reliant on teachers who have transmitted the scriptures. Without those teachers you have nothing. You misundersta...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:58 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

This is the non-grasping of the meaning. ' You seem to regard Sakyamuni as the only Buddha and only source of reliable teachings. You did not personally hear him teach, nor did you hear him explain his teachings. You are totally reliant on teachers who have transmitted the scriptures. Without those...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:28 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

You are in the wrong forum, then lady. The ultimate authority in Vajrayāna is the guru. Dzogchen is of definitive teaching, vajrayana teaching is not definitive, that's why the latter need a teacher. This is the reason I never post in vajrayana related forum. Those of definitive teaching does not n...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:05 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

Making up the Dharma as you go along, huh? Can you find me even one master in any tradition who maintains this point of view you are proffering? For the spirit of academic/scholastic discussion of buddhism, one should uphold the Buddha's injunction as stated in the four reliances. One of that apply...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:16 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

I don't care of other Tibetan sutras which have no use to me anyway, all I care about is that no buddhist authority I have known ever refute the authenticity of the chinese tripitaka, and all controvesial sutras have already being isolated in this system. We have enough definitive sutras in the tri...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:08 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Parinirvana without remainder
Replies: 14
Views: 1148

Re: Parinirvana without remainder

You supposedly attain something called rainbow body in dzogchen. In "hinayana" there's no such thing except for permanent cessation. The rainbow body is what the buddha get when abiding in the intelligence/jnana and not on the base (nirvana). It is termed the nonabiding nirvana, or nirvana with rem...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:30 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Parinirvana without remainder
Replies: 14
Views: 1148

Re: Parinirvana without remainder

What´s the difference between parinirvana without remainder between hinayana and dzogchen? Conceptually speaking. The mechanics is the same for both where is there is a common object (nirvana) to be abide in, it is a diseased state, but the buddha can choose to abide in it as a personal choice, jus...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:59 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

No, actually it isn't —— and it is for this reason that there are disputation and multiple opinions about what is provisional and what is definitive. Usually it is only related to a certain controversial sutras, we just have to read into the meaning of this sutras, that is all. No, actually these c...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:51 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

thus the term 'suffering' does not exist (nor necessary) in the definitive teaching of mahayana. Making up the Dharma as you go along, huh? Can you find me even one master in any tradition who maintains this point of view you are proffering? For the spirit of academic/scholastic discussion of buddh...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:41 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

The tripitaka is very systematic and strict on what is definitive and what is not. The above criterias are fixed (not subject to doubt) and there are more. No, actually it isn't —— and it is for this reason that there are disputation and multiple opinions about what is provisional and what is defin...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:39 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

I quoted a text which is classified as third turning, but you replied with non sequiturs So what is the cause of suffering in the third turning sūtras? And which sūtras are you defining as such? In any case, the Mahāyāna Sūtrālaṃkara , a summary of the third turning sūtras, beautifully states: This...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:48 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

To conclude: The term 'suffering' is a provisional devise of buddhism, it is based on provisional dharma such as the three dharma seals, and to facilitate the words of the first two noble truths. The definitive teaching of the mahayana directly arrived at the meaning (or position) of the third noble...
by Jyoti
Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:49 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:43 pm
Jyoti wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:21 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:26 pm


You seem to have truth on your side Jyoti. :smile:

/magnus
My side is none other than what is in the scriptures.
So we have something common then? :smile:

/magnus
If you also uphold the four reliances, then yes.
by Jyoti
Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:21 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

I am sorry if I offend you, but this distinction is not done in Buddhism, no matter where the quote is from. Like Malcolm said, pain is the suffering of suffering. You can read more about it here: http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Three_types_of_suffering /magnus A saying is true when it is ...
by Jyoti
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:59 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

I am sorry if I offend you, but this distinction is not done in Buddhism, no matter where the quote is from. Like Malcolm said, pain is the suffering of suffering. You can read more about it here: http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Three_types_of_suffering /magnus A saying is true when it is ...
by Jyoti
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:13 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

I think you are conflating marathon with Buddhism, but whatever ever you want to believe is fine with me. /magnus Who is talking about marathon? Not me. Clearly you are making a concerted effort to avoid understanding me. Fine. Om mani padme hum Kathy I am sorry if I offend you, but this distinctio...
by Jyoti
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:53 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Instant Presence and Physical Pain
Replies: 171
Views: 8008

Re: Instant Presence and Physical Pain

These are of the second turning which are considered definitive only with interpretation. The tripitaka is very systematic and strict on what is definitive and what is not. The above criterias are fixed (not subject to doubt) and there are more. The "three turning" model became big in Tibet and Eas...

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