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by Motova
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:54 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen
Replies: 34
Views: 1055

Re: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen

You are proving my point. Didn't I say I had it done by a teacher? Be that as it may, this book, "Self-Liberation Through Seeing With Naked Awareness," by Guru Padmasambhava and translated by John Myrdin, is a pointing out instruction which says in the book itself that it can be received through re...
by Motova
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:42 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen
Replies: 34
Views: 1055

Re: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen

There is no Guru Yoga in Zen. In Dzogchen one's Lama is Buddha. Also I assume Zen doesn't have Dream Yoga or Tummo or most of the methods Dzogchen has access to. Zen has its own methods, kuden (oral instruction), and hidden practices, with which you appear unfamiliar. Some of these methods bear som...
by Motova
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:02 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen
Replies: 34
Views: 1055

Re: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen

This is the Zen forum. It’s okay to post that in the Dzogchen forum. Vajrayana practitioners are of course emphatically welcome to contribute as much as they want to this discussion, but please keep in mind that I posted here for a reason. Zen is sutra and maybe has some lower tantra. Dzogchen is a...
by Motova
Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:22 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen
Replies: 34
Views: 1055

Re: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen

Zen simply does not have the OOMPH that Dzogchen does. This is the Zen forum. It’s okay to post that in the Dzogchen forum. Vajrayana practitioners are of course emphatically welcome to contribute as much as they want to this discussion, but please keep in mind that I posted here for a reason. Zen ...
by Motova
Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:10 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen
Replies: 34
Views: 1055

Re: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen

Where are the Zen public pointing out intructions? It takes big testicles or ovaries for a Lama to give public Dzogchen intructions to crowds... it's a real display of realization. Do Zen masters publicly demonstrate realization like that to crowds? Chogyal Namkai Norbu Rinpoche does this through we...
by Motova
Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:53 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen
Replies: 34
Views: 1055

Re: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen

There is no Guru Yoga in Zen. In Dzogchen one's Lama is Buddha. Also I assume Zen doesn't have Dream Yoga or Tummo or most of the methods Dzogchen has access to. But I should have clarified that I personally already believe that, at least in terms of the Mind that is "pointed out," Zen and Dzogchen ...
by Motova
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:15 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Ngondro vs. Yidam?
Replies: 14
Views: 485

Re: Ngondro vs. Yidam?

Read the Words of my Perfect Teacher. There are quite few things one can do during the day to accumulate merit and purify karma. Are you saying that ngondro's post-meditation practice is sutra? The food offering, showering as initiation, seeing beings as Buddhas and you’re circumambulating. Off the...
by Motova
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:11 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Ngondro vs. Yidam?
Replies: 14
Views: 485

Re: Ngondro vs. Yidam?

Miroku wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:11 am
Motova wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:43 am
What is the post-meditation practice for ngondro?
Read the Words of my Perfect Teacher. There are quite few things one can do during the day to accumulate merit and purify karma.

Are you saying that ngondro's post-meditation practice is sutra?
by Motova
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:43 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Ngondro vs. Yidam?
Replies: 14
Views: 485

Re: Ngondro vs. Yidam?

What is the post-meditation practice for ngondro?
by Motova
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:31 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: DC: gcer grol
Replies: 7
Views: 325

Re: DC: gcer grol

Is gcer grol Guru Yoga? Is gcer grol instant presence? Is gcer grol contemplation? What benefits does gcer grol lack compared to shar grol and rang grol? Thank you. gcer drol is a quality of guru yoga, instant presence, contemplation. Thank you. I feel like I understand Dzogchen intellectually now....
by Motova
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:00 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: DC: gcer grol
Replies: 7
Views: 325

Re: DC: gcer grol

Are the Four Chogshag basically an expansion or explanation of gcer grol? In Rinpoche's Cycle of Day and Night he explains self liberation through the terms gcer grol, shar grol and rang grol. Are the Four Chogshag essentially contained in his explanations or is there something special that I misse...
by Motova
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:27 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins
Replies: 8
Views: 423

Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Guru yoga is one. Semzin are many. So many like 21 aspects of body speech and mind. Are you saying Ati Guru Yoga is the ultimate semdzin, and semdzins are limited Guru Yogas? Pretty much. But the semzin are like many keys you keep trying until one works then you are no longer in doubt. Thank you. :...
by Motova
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:05 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: DC: gcer grol
Replies: 7
Views: 325

Re: DC: gcer grol

Are the Four Chogshag basically an expansion or explanation of gcer grol? In Rinpoche's Cycle of Day and Night he explains self liberation through the terms gcer grol, shar grol and rang grol. Are the Four Chogshag essentially contained in his explanations or is there something special that I missed?
by Motova
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:57 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: DC: gcer grol
Replies: 7
Views: 325

Re: DC: gcer grol

If a practitioner dies using Rinpoche's advice but only has capacity for gcer grol then what will the result be?

In those circumstances is it better to prepare for death by practicing Nirmanakaya Phowa?
by Motova
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:38 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins
Replies: 8
Views: 423

Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Guru yoga is a central practice in DC. You are mirroring the teachers mind. In semzin you are becoming better acquainted with that under various conditions. I'm sorry that doesn't clear things up for me. My understanding is that both result in Guru Yoga, and both use the same experiences to enter G...
by Motova
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:35 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: DC: gcer grol
Replies: 7
Views: 325

DC: gcer grol

Is gcer grol Guru Yoga?

Is gcer grol instant presence?

Is gcer grol contemplation?

What benefits does gcer grol lack compared to shar grol and rang grol?

Thank you.
by Motova
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:12 pm
Forum: Media
Topic: Fiction with Buddhist influences
Replies: 16
Views: 268

Re: Fiction with Buddhist influences

Star Wars
by Motova
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:00 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins
Replies: 8
Views: 423

Re: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

Guru yoga is a central practice in DC. You are mirroring the teachers mind. In semzin you are becoming better acquainted with that under various conditions. I'm sorry that doesn't clear things up for me. My understanding is that both result in Guru Yoga, and both use the same experiences to enter G...
by Motova
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:19 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: General Question Regarding Vajrayana Etiquette and Samaya
Replies: 6
Views: 340

Re: General Question Regarding Vajrayana Etiquette and Samaya

As lay people our focus should be practice.
by Motova
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins
Replies: 8
Views: 423

Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins

What are the differences between Ati Guru Yoga and Semdzins?

Thank you.

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