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by passel
Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:48 am
Forum: Meditation
Topic: Meditation timer app?
Replies: 6
Views: 74

Re: Meditation timer app?

You don’t need a gentle tone; literally anything will do, no need to fuss w conditions.
by passel
Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:24 am
Forum: Meditation
Topic: Meditation on Awareness
Replies: 7
Views: 103

Re: Meditation on Awareness

Keep at it
by passel
Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:22 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 76
Views: 1112

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

I'm wondering whether this doctrine is related to a similar motif in East Asian Buddhism, that of "insentient beings preaching the Dharma". For instance, there's this case from Caodong school of Ch'an: Dongshan asked Yunyen, "Who can hear the teachings of the insentient?" Yunyen said, "It can be he...
by passel
Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:38 pm
Forum: Meditation
Topic: Meditation on Awareness
Replies: 7
Views: 103

Re: Meditation on Awareness

Seems like you have some basic stability in shamatha- take up vipasyana by looking for the location of awareness. When you search for a while and become perplexed, rest in that for a bit, then either return to resting on a sense object, to shamatha w/o object, or look again for awareness. Regard any...
by passel
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:36 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 76
Views: 1112

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Justifiable perhaps on the basis of the MMK: Whatever is the Tatāgata's nature, that is the world's nature; as the Tatāgata has no nature, the world also has no nature. Whether that’s the explanation that accords with the view of Zhiyi or anyone else brought up in the thread or not, that’s the one ...
by passel
Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:58 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 76
Views: 1112

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

I think I’m only responding to myself but maybe somebody else will bite: Dogen being the most prominent later exegete of this doctrine, isn’t his point not that the insentient HAVE buddha nature, but that they ARE buddha nature? Which I take just to mean that the phenomenal world is implicated in an...
by passel
Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:42 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment
Replies: 35
Views: 927

Re: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:48 pm
passel wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:39 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:21 pm


Nevertheless, the sudden approach comes from it.
Is dzogchen not ‘sudden’ then, since it has its own sources, or are there multiple origins for ‘sudden’ teachings?
Dzogchen is not a sudden school. It argues that liberation does not come from realization.
Good
by passel
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:39 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment
Replies: 35
Views: 927

Re: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:21 pm
passel wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:12 pm
Lankavatara is old news in Chan as near as I can tell- supplanted.
Nevertheless, the sudden approach comes from it.
Is dzogchen not ‘sudden’ then, since it has its own sources, or are there multiple origins for ‘sudden’ teachings?
by passel
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:12 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment
Replies: 35
Views: 927

Re: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment

Lankavatara is old news in Chan as near as I can tell- supplanted. And do we really know how influential the LS was? It seems to be an open question still. (I like van Schaik’s hypotheses that Chan sprang from the first of the three Mahayoga samadhis, though I’ve only just dipped a toe into that mat...
by passel
Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:25 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment
Replies: 35
Views: 927

Re: Dzogchen and Zen on enlightenment and post-enlightenment

That chan is sutra is a straw dog argument, however well founded in exalted traditional schemes. Sutra could be a suitable basis for Chan, but it’s not limited to sutra. Nor is Chan tantra; it is not deficient dzogchen either The sorts of questions one asks can really force inadequate conclusions. I...
by passel
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:51 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: Yuthok nyingthik ( your views? )
Replies: 29
Views: 1235

Re: Yuthok nyingthik ( your views? )

No good really but at least the metaphor makes sense. Maybe you yours would if instead of a lottery ticket it was a double yoke, and in the other side was a tiger (shark)
by passel
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:24 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 76
Views: 1112

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

I’m pretty sure you can find a pdf copy of an academic anthology called Zen Masters- there’s an essay on Dongshan in there that should tell you all about the development of that doctrine and give you leads to follow if you want to learn more
by passel
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:21 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 76
Views: 1112

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Yeah- no Indian antecedent for that doctrine, it’s a Chinese development. So you’ll have to either abandon orthodoxy or redefine it.
by passel
Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:05 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: Yuthok nyingthik ( your views? )
Replies: 29
Views: 1235

Re: Yuthok nyingthik ( your views? )

Vajrasattva practice can lead to liberation. Can lead or will lead? If having a human birth with the freedoms and advantages is like a blind turtle etc., having the freedoms and advantages and also having met the Vajrayana is like the turtle winning the lottery after putting its head through the yo...
by passel
Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:15 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 76
Views: 1112

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

To Dogen, rocks ARE the buddha nature- although that seems to be his particular enrichment of that doctrine
by passel
Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:32 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 76
Views: 1112

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Academic treatments of Tung-shan/ Dongshan Liangje usually get into it; he’s usually credited w bringing that doctrine into zen
by passel
Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:38 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 76
Views: 1112

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

I’d bet it would be because rocks don’t have minds. Isn’t though the buddha nature of the insentient just a function of their having the 3 marks?
by passel
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:53 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen
Replies: 34
Views: 1123

Re: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen

No GY by that name, or in that specific formulation. There is an important stream within zen that you could slap that label on; however, it will be a poor fit and you will find forcing 1:1 corespondences will make a distorting and frustrating graft, not a meaningful path
by passel
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:28 pm
Forum: Chan
Topic: in practice chan do I need teacher !
Replies: 11
Views: 3468

Re: in practice chan do I need teacher !

While you’re looking for a teacher, which could take years, you could work on the basics- posture, breathing, non grasping mind, and get familiar w the literature. Then, when you start getting some personal instruction you’ll have a foundation on which to build; heed any traditional warnings you com...
by passel
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:16 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen
Replies: 34
Views: 1123

Re: Pointing-Out-Instructions and Zen

Dzogchen/ vajrayana perspective is often that zen is “sutra”, but that is not a claim zen makes for itself. It’s an example of slotting the ‘other’ into a known category in order to understand it, but coming just to confirm what you already know about a stereotype, not the actual target.

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