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by Astus
Sat May 30, 2020 4:12 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’
Replies: 143
Views: 1916

Re: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’

That's not quite what what Gotama Buddha says in DN13. He refers to The Path The attainment of the practice with the brahmaviharas is given in that sutta: "It’s possible that that mendicant will, when the body breaks up, after death, be reborn in the company of Brahmā." That is not liberation. You ...
by Astus
Sat May 30, 2020 2:22 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’
Replies: 143
Views: 1916

Re: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’

I think ‘the absolute’ is not a bad candidate for translation of ‘the unconditioned’ (as used in, for instance, the translations in Sutta Central.) After all, nothing can be ‘partially unconditioned’. Where exactly is asaṅkhata translated as the absolute there? Also, translating it as unconditioned...
by Astus
Sat May 30, 2020 1:05 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’
Replies: 143
Views: 1916

Re: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’

within the domain of discourse of comparative religion, ‘the absolute’ has a meaning, but that doesn’t make it easy to define . The question at hand is about "Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’", and as the term itself was taken from Blofeld's translation, it turned out that Huangbo's records did...
by Astus
Sat May 30, 2020 11:13 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’
Replies: 143
Views: 1916

Re: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’

What do you think about that? Regardless if the correct translation is companionship (what's to companionship and to Brahma anyway??) or uonion with Brahma is a type of gods in Buddhism, and through the practice of the brahmaviharas one can gain birth in that heaven . It is not the ultimate goal of...
by Astus
Sat May 30, 2020 9:51 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’
Replies: 143
Views: 1916

Re: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’

the word ‘absolute’ is just a placeholder. A placeholder for what? It seems that it requires specification, otherwise one habitually understands it according to whatever vague concept one associates with it, thus going to derail oneself right at the beginning and misinterpret the whole Dharma. Like...
by Astus
Sat May 30, 2020 8:21 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’
Replies: 143
Views: 1916

Re: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’

Wondering about a concept that exists only in an English translation is unlikely to be fruitful. It was Blofeld's approach to render terms like tathata and dharmadhatu as absolute. Here's his explanation from the introduction (p 16-17): "Zen followers (who have much in common with mystics of other f...
by Astus
Thu May 28, 2020 8:15 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Four Great Vows
Replies: 4
Views: 136

Re: Four Great Vows

I see the four vows are linked to the four noble truths in Tiantai. I assume this also the case in the Tendai and Zen traditions? Linking the four vows and the four truths is also found in Zhanran's (湛然) Great Meaning of the Cessation and Contemplation (Zhiguan Dayi 止觀大意; T46n1914p459b23-26), so I ...
by Astus
Thu May 28, 2020 4:25 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Four Great Vows
Replies: 4
Views: 136

Re: Four Great Vows

Any suggestions? As for the kanji part, although it's Chinese, the four great vows can be found in for instance the "Guide to the Tiantai Fourfold Teachings" (Tiantai Sijiao Yi 天台四教儀) by Ch'egwan (諦觀): 眾生無邊誓願度 煩惱無盡誓願斷 法門無量誓願學 佛道無上誓願成 (CBETA 2020.Q1, T46, no. 1931, p. 777b2-7) Beings are numberless;...
by Astus
Wed May 27, 2020 11:32 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’
Replies: 143
Views: 1916

Re: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’

Those few who took the trouble to visit Japan and begin the practice of Zen under a recognized Zen master or who joined the monastic Order soon discovered that it was a very different matter from what the popularizing literature had led them to believe. ... Altogether Zen demands an ability to part...
by Astus
Tue May 26, 2020 10:26 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’
Replies: 143
Views: 1916

Re: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’

Zen and Zen-speak, or what I take to be Zen-speak from what I see in forums like this. There are may things at play here that produces "Zen-speak". On the one hand, Zen is straightforward and to the point. On the other, it's a highly evolved and sophisticated literary genre. Then you mix the two si...
by Astus
Tue May 26, 2020 9:42 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’
Replies: 143
Views: 1916

Re: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’

Here https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.105228 / https://terebess.hu/zen/Huangpo.pdf Absolute = tathatā 如如 'The substance of the Absolute is inwardly like wood or stone, in that it is motionless, and outwardly like the void, in that it is without bounds or obstructions.' (Blofeld, p 31-3...
by Astus
Tue May 26, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’
Replies: 143
Views: 1916

Re: Zen’s stand regarding ‘The Absolute’

npr wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 3:25 pm
If you can see the original Chinese text of Huang Po, and see what the original term that was translated to Absolute, was, that can be nice
What translation? Could you please give some refernces?
by Astus
Sun May 24, 2020 11:22 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Momentariness
Replies: 11
Views: 432

Re: Momentariness

Does momentariness imply things coming out of nothing?if the cause ceases completely before the effect even begins to arise,how do effects arise? there must be things beginning the arise as soon as its cause begins to dissapear,but then why call it momentary? Let's say one kicks a ball. The cause i...
by Astus
Fri May 22, 2020 9:59 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What are the most minimalist or simplest forms or schools of Buddhism?
Replies: 54
Views: 1035

Re: What are the most minimalist or simplest forms or schools of Buddhism?

Dgj wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 4:10 pm
The fourth noble truth includes the eightfold path, technically, no?
The fourth is the path, so yes, of course.
by Astus
Fri May 22, 2020 9:57 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Nihilistic view
Replies: 124
Views: 2302

Re: Nihilistic view

Bundokji wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 4:00 pm
Don't you think the process of verification necessitates an unchanging essence?
Both sensory perception and reasoning require causal interaction, so no. Anything unchanging is a conceptual generalisation, not an experience.
by Astus
Fri May 22, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Nihilistic view
Replies: 124
Views: 2302

Re: Nihilistic view

How can you define reality without reference to unchanging essence? what makes things identical (or recognizable) through time except reference to an unchanging essence that endures change? This was the intended section of that post vis-a-vis defining reality without positing an unchanging essence:...
by Astus
Fri May 22, 2020 3:20 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Nihilistic view
Replies: 124
Views: 2302

Re: Nihilistic view

Bundokji wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 3:08 pm
By reducing what is real to the presence of an unchanging essence would be be missing the point of what is it that makes things "real" in the first place except an underlying value.
Please note this previous post. There is no need for an unchanging essence to define reality.
by Astus
Fri May 22, 2020 3:08 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Nihilistic view
Replies: 124
Views: 2302

Re: Nihilistic view

Grigoris wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:58 pm
So you believe that in the immaterial realms there is no sense of self?
I did not specify the nature of a possible referent for the idea of a self. Furthermore, four of the five aggregates are not material, so it is quite normal if one identifies with something other than the body.
by Astus
Fri May 22, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What are the most minimalist or simplest forms or schools of Buddhism?
Replies: 54
Views: 1035

Re: What are the most minimalist or simplest forms or schools of Buddhism?

What are the most minimalist or simplest forms or schools of Buddhism? The four noble truths are said to be both the summary ( SN 56.31 ) and the all encompassing ( MN 28 ) teaching of the Buddha. What is highlighted in Mahayana as the essential teaching is prajnaparamita (e.g. Heart Sutra), and th...
by Astus
Fri May 22, 2020 2:29 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Nihilistic view
Replies: 124
Views: 2302

Re: Nihilistic view

A mental action is still an action and thus has a "causal efficacy", even if it is just mental. Don't forget that there are entire realms that are merely mental. Are they not "real"? As a thought, yes. But when one talks of a self, it is generally not understood to be merely a thought, but that it ...

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