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by Astus
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:13 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra
Replies: 42
Views: 1265

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Maybe WE are the one's that are making the mistake in assigning concrete characteristics, when the text is actually allegorical/metaphorical? Vedanta is quite clear on the matter, and there Brahman/Atman is the (only) absolutely real entity. If for some reason Tantra contradicts the Vedantin unders...
by Astus
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:19 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra
Replies: 42
Views: 1265

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Grigoris wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:11 pm
it differs only very slightly from Buddhist Tantra.
The quoted section is fairly standard Vedanta philosophy. Do you have any Buddhist tantra in mind that sounds very similar?
by Astus
Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:49 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

The criteria for it being the Buddhadharma is consistency, not historicity. Consistency with what? Doctrinal consistency would require to have a basis, a consensus on what are definitely the teachings of the Buddha, then to that other teachings can be compared. For instance, there is what is called...
by Astus
Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:58 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

PeterC wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:29 pm
These are people using the materials of the past to construct something new. It’s not the same thing.
What would be the same thing?
by Astus
Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:25 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

The question is whether history matters, rather whose history matters. And, Peter points out, history is not science. It may not be a science, but there are still ways to evaluate various historical evidences. So it shouldn't be a matter of individual preference, or history should not be viewed any...
by Astus
Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:57 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

History is really an exercise in telling stories that make events of the past more readily comprehensible to people in the present. It's a branch of literature. I'm always going to be interested in research on the sources of Dharma texts. However I can't see a situation in which that research is go...
by Astus
Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

so many layers of meaning in the apparently simple teachings of 'the first turning' which could then be interpreted and give rise to whole schools. Between the Agamas/Nikayas and Mahayana there was a lot happening, particularly the so called early Buddhist schools , like the Lokottaravada . If view...
by Astus
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:34 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

I'm used to reading lineages that start with, say, Samantabadhra, and go through several non-human teachers. How am I to validate those through historical research? Why should you? On the other hand, I assume when it comes to lineages of Lu Sheng-yen and such, then critical thinking and research is...
by Astus
Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:34 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

If you're reading a teaching given by, say, a Arya Bodhisattva to an entourage of non-human recipients, then there's a limit to what historical research can actually tell you. One can start with checking the paper, the ink, the type of script, the language used, etc. I don't think it gets to assert...
by Astus
Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:42 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

The existence of a living practice tradition is infinitely more valuable than a speculative historiography. When being a tradition is an important element of a teaching's validity, then it is an interpretation of history that becomes a validating element, thus historical research may invalidate suc...
by Astus
Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:38 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

The religious imagination of the Mahāyāna is of a completely different order to the earlier schools. Such ideas as the three bodies of the Buddha, the Infinite nature of the Cosmos, and other cardinal points of the Mahāyāna, are not stated explicitly in the earlier texts. Most of such "Mahayana ide...
by Astus
Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:34 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

That very much depends on what one means by "history." All the history books available to me in Tibetan, for example, assert very strongly Mahāyāna was taught by the Buddha. The only history books that dispute this claim are by western academics, who have no real practical interest in Buddhadharma ...
by Astus
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:11 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

Interdependent origination, emptiness, tathagatagharba...not history. Are those not Buddhist teachings exactly because they are attributed to the Buddha in the scriptures? You’re reducing this all to chronology, and ultimately that’s a very limiting view of the Dharma. It is a historical issue whet...
by Astus
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:44 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

we don't rely on placing words in the mouth of a putative historical Buddha That is how a sutra is defined, that it was spoken by the Buddha. If there is no need for that, then what is the differentiating factor between Buddhavacana and other teachings? Being dated as the oldest texts doesn't make ...
by Astus
Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:17 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

As Shantideva said: What they (pre-modern Mahayana apologetics) do not and cannot address is the historical argument. Apparently the academic view is not contested regarding Mahayana scriptures being later works, consequently it is currently not debated that the Nikayas and Agamas represent the old...
by Astus
Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:05 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...
Replies: 94
Views: 2365

Re: Does Mahayana lose its entire validity...

What about two-fold emptiness? I thought this is asserted as being absent from Hinayana and Pratyekabuddhayana. The emptiness of dharmas is an interesting one, as the concept of "dharma" (in the sense of the ultimate constituents of the world) is not found even in the Abhidhamma (Pali canon), but o...
by Astus
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:12 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: How does the Buddha eat?
Replies: 52
Views: 860

Re: How does the Buddha eat?

Putting food on the altar is a practice of giving and reverence, thus one feeds the inner buddha. You can find nice stories in the Dazhidulun of Nagarjuna (in Dharmamitra's translation: Nagarjuna on the Six Perfections & Marvelous Stories from the Perfection of Wisdom).
by Astus
Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:55 am
Forum: Mahamudra
Topic: Beginner in Mahamudra
Replies: 31
Views: 1277

Re: Beginner in Mahamudra

Zolbec wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:58 am
What is the most complete and best introduction for beginners in Mahamudra?
Essentials of Mahamudra by Khenchen Thrangu Rinpoche should be the one that is quite thorough but at the same time not too complicated.
by Astus
Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:26 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Does Zen Buddhism need Four Noble Truths? If so, why?
Replies: 2
Views: 240

Re: Does Zen Buddhism need Four Noble Truths? If so, why?

Viach wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:58 am
Does Zen Buddhism need Four Noble Truths? If so, why?
If you mean whether Zen can be taught without mentioning the term "four noble truths", then yes, it can be. If you mean whether Zen teaches something independent from the meaning of the four noble truths, then no.
by Astus
Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:04 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Question about Nagarjuna's Heart of Dependent Origination
Replies: 18
Views: 511

Re: Question about Nagarjuna's Heart of Dependent Origination

Coëmgenu wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:51 pm
Does the Chinese text have Ven Nāgārjuna, in the terminology of the translation, relate 事 to 理?
No. That is most likely a Chinese innovation.
Do you know where the text is in the Taishō Canon?
十二因緣論
因緣心論頌因緣心論釋

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