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by Astus
Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:32 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

detailed postural instruction in any of those texts, and if so, can you nail down any probable dates? The Discourse on the Essential Secrets of Meditation (Chan Miyao Fa Jing 禪祕要法經, T15n613) is dated to the 2nd or 3rd century in origin by Ven. Dr. Yuanci, and it does have a description of posture a...
by Astus
Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:45 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

b) divergent evolution- a common body of probably early Indian textual sources that both are drawing from. Or, oral instructions. Meditation texts were translated to Chinese very early: Dhyāna sutras . For Dogen's sources, see "Dogen's Manuals of Zen Meditation" by Carl Bielefeldt. The "manuals" th...
by Astus
Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:36 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

Meido wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:28 pm
that path of practice in fact has quite a lot to do with the body.
Do you know sutras that discuss physical practice? Or is it discussed only in Rinzai works?
by Astus
Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:11 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Pedagogy: Teachings on How to Teach
Replies: 9
Views: 250

Re: Pedagogy: Teachings on How to Teach

There's chapter 12 of the Mahayanasutralamkarabhasya discussing teaching. "The Lord Buddha did not, in fact, teach the (ultimate) Dharma, since it is individually realized within. Still, the compassionate ones, like huge boa-constrictors, (first) attract people toward their own reality with their re...
by Astus
Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:59 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Pedagogy: Teachings on How to Teach
Replies: 9
Views: 250

Re: Pedagogy: Teachings on How to Teach

The basics from the Buddha: Kesi Sutta (AN 4.111) - like taming a horse Udayi Sutta (AN 5.159) - how to teach Summary from BuddhaNet . Mahayana: The four siddhantas Training of Beginner Bodhisattvas from the Bodhisatvacaryānirdeśa Zen ideas from Linji: "Whenever someone comes here seeking I immediat...
by Astus
Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:59 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: One hand clapping
Replies: 13
Views: 331

Re: One hand clapping

shanyin wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:54 am
could you translate?
"There is the sound of both palms hit together, but what is the sound of one hand?"
by Astus
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:27 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: One hand clapping
Replies: 13
Views: 331

Re: One hand clapping

shanyin wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:08 am
I'd like to know what it is. I want to do this koan because I want something to think about especially during meditation.
This looks like a common version: 両掌相打って音声あり、隻手に何の音声かある。 :twothumbsup:
by Astus
Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:31 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

That is "Huineng"'s view, and Shenhui's, but neither Huangbo nor Linji nor Zhaozhou say that their own mention of "sitting" is not meant literally. For Huangbo, here's Lok To's translation : " Sitting properly and peacefully, not bound by the world - this alone is called liberation!" For Linji, he ...
by Astus
Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:36 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

Wayfarer wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:28 am
To practice without a sense of personal gain, is not the same as practicing without any sense of purpose.
That still sounds like a high level aim, that would require insight into no-self. Why not go with bodhicitta?
by Astus
Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:16 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

one has to put aside any sense of getting something or achieving some result from meditation. There is the gradual practice model used by Zongmi, Yongming, and Jinul, where practice does have a meaningful purpose. Dogen is a different case, although there is not much of a detailed system for it. Ho...
by Astus
Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:20 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

Yes, I agree. So do the later texts that I mention. Those later texts are hundreds of years apart from the early ones, so there is actually a big gap during the Tang era. Even Huango arguably does, too. He does not. He merely mentions sitting peacefully. But throughout the text he denigrates all ef...
by Astus
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:10 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

What was your point about them again? That they discuss actual meditation methods. Starting when do you propose that Caodong incorporated the same kanhua path? I have no information on that. But it seems that the Ming era revivers of Caodong, Zhanran Yuancheng and Wuming Huijing, were not the advoc...
by Astus
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:42 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

Which instructions, specifically? Do you mean e.g. the Lengqie shizi ji? I mean the works like the Ru dao an xin yao fangbian famen 入道安心要方便法門, Xiu xin yao lun 修心要論, Dasheng wu fangbian 大乘五方便, Yuan ming lun 圓明論, and Guanxin lun 觀心論. what about the Caodong? It was a short lived project that eventuall...
by Astus
Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:08 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

but they show quite clearly that the idea that "zen masters like Huangbo and Yunmen, Wumen, Bodhidharma, never taught nor sat seated meditation to realize true nature" is not the case. But what is lacking are the Tang era instructions by the ancestors of the so called five schools (note: there are ...
by Astus
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:07 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

Ehu Dayi's Zuochan Ming ("Inscription on Sitting Meditation") Foxin Bencai's Zuochan yi ("Guidelines for Sitting Meditation") Changlu Zongze's Zuochan yi ("Guidelines for Sitting Meditation") Those are works from the 12th and 14th centuries, plus they are rather short, more like reminders than manu...
by Astus
Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:40 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

Is this true? Almost certainly not. But Zen does not rely upon zazen or any other specific practice. It should be perhaps added that meditation is one of the many standard practices in a monastery, just like chanting and studying sutras, various rituals, and upholding the precepts. Did the teachers...
by Astus
Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:42 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?
Replies: 36
Views: 863

Re: Did zen masters teach seated meditation?

Hi, I was talking to a friend today and I was surprised to find out that zen masters like Huangbo and Yunmen, Wumen, Bodhidharma, never taught nor sat seated meditation to realize true nature. Is this true? I always assumed that zen and meditation were inseparable. Although it is common to relate Z...
by Astus
Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:37 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Are Buddhas formless or form?
Replies: 13
Views: 427

Re: Are Buddhas formless or form?

Um, why would you want to even forget the sensory realms and mind? That sounds to me like escaping the outer and inner worlds dude, and again, does that mean they ( buddhas ) are without mind and sensory perceptions , which sounds to me personally like a person that is dead and unconscious. Being b...
by Astus
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:12 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Are Buddhas formless or form?
Replies: 13
Views: 427

Re: Are Buddhas formless or form?

A monk asked Zen master Guizong, “What is Buddha?” Guizong said, “When I tell you it becomes something else.” (Zen's Chinese Heritage, p 370) "Those who have conceptions of the Buddha, Who, beyond conception, is unbounded, Are blinded by those very concepts; They do not behold the Tathagata. The na...
by Astus
Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:13 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: anti-"Hinayana" bias in Zen (and Mahayana in general)
Replies: 19
Views: 536

Re: anti-"Hinayana" bias in Zen (and Mahayana in general)

puts me off when reading Zen texts in particular is the anti-Hinayana (e.g. Theravada) bias present in much of the literature. Since Zen has never coexisted with Hinayana before the 20th century meeting in Western countries, this is all rather rhetorical. Plus Mahayana had almost no contact with Th...

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