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by Rick
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:42 am
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

tobes wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:00 am
... we don't actually know ...
Rack em!
by Rick
Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:23 am
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

.... But they did, and their word is taken as literal truth in Vedanta. That's strange and totally alien to my native culture. That's why buddhism appears more familiar in the sphere of my experience.. It's strange and quite alien to me also ... although I did grow up with something similar in Cath...
by Rick
Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:44 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

It's the ultimate mystery, the unknown, sans attributes, beyond (direct) experience, no words/thoughts apply. (And even that is just another description of the ineffable.) Then that is another difference between Buddhism and Vedanta, because what can neither be experienced nor inferred is truly unk...
by Rick
Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:08 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

Atman/Brahman is the sole existent according to Advaita. From Shankara's commentary on Gita: “Only an entity which is an object of sense-knowledge can become an object of affirmative predication of the form ‘it is’ or an object of negative predication of the form ‘it is not.’ Reason also proves tha...
by Rick
Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

Nonduality does not have the same meaning in Buddhism and Vedanta. But both distill down to: There is no essential difference between <apparent> X and <apparent> Y. No? In Buddhism it refers to the lack of extremes, while in Vedanta it is affirming one and negating everything else. That which is af...
by Rick
Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:17 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:58 pm
Ummmm... I think you will find that realising non-duality is not the ultimate fruit of Buddhism. It is a lot more than just that.
Fruit salad? Some mango, some pear, a few strawberries, maybe a walnut or two ...
by Rick
Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:40 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

Matt J wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:55 am
... whether the ultimate fruit of each is the same.
My understanding is that the ultimate fruit of each is realization of nonduality. If this is true, how could there be any difference between the two? There ARE no two!
by Rick
Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: I Would Love A Study Partner
Replies: 14
Views: 611

Re: I Would Love A Study Partner

I wouldn't agree that a group should not study a text at all unless the guidance is available, we can't be that precious about exposing ourselves to the Dharma. But I agree in principle, especially in a group setting it is best to have a wise guide. Failing that the group should be conscientious ab...
by Rick
Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Suggestion Box
Topic: Open call for Moderator suggestions
Replies: 18
Views: 1343

Re: Open call for Moderator suggestions

Illuminating how even in a community grounded in peace and kindness, the violent side of human nature will out. A learning opportunity!
by Rick
Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:04 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Lifespan of a thought
Replies: 9
Views: 293

Re: Lifespan of a thought

Interesting question: How long is a thought? Here's a quote from this article by David Holmes : The unit of measure for the duration of a thought-process is a thought-moment (cittakkhaina), which is also an infinitesimally small division of time. All thought-moments rise up in the conscious vithi ci...
by Rick
Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: I Would Love A Study Partner
Replies: 14
Views: 611

Re: I Would Love A Study Partner

Good idea! If you start a study group to work through Buddhist scriptures, you should ideally have an expert guide/consultant, someone you trust to help you understand the texts as they were meant to be understood. If not, you run the risk of: https://www.startshining.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/...
by Rick
Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:24 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

'Buddha activity has an unceasing character because from the very beginning, the Buddhas committed themselves to the goal of achieving Buddhahood for the sake of other beings. Secondly, the Buddhas saw the similarity between themselves and other beings and understood that if they managed to achieve...
by Rick
Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:48 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

In other words, ultimate enlightenment is eternal deep sleep. That does not sound appealing to me. Yeah, not a very sexy vision of eternal enlightenment! :zzz: Fortunately, all pointers to brahman and its realization are metaphors and shouldn't be taken anywhere near literally. "Open your mouth and...
by Rick
Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:38 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

How about after the death of a Buddhist enlightened being? Is it similar to a Vedantic paramukta? No. Just consider all the functions and activities of a buddha. I get that bodhisattvas agree to keep being reborn over and over and over to help nudge suffering begins towards liberation. But don't an...
by Rick
Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:40 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

It is another good example of difference between the two systems. In Buddhism nirvikalpa-jnana (non-conceptual wisdom) does not eliminate phenomena. How about after the death of a Buddhist enlightened being? Is it similar to a Vedantic paramukta? I was thinking of writing an article about the essen...
by Rick
Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

For Advaitins enlightenment is knowing that the person = atman = brahman. Appearances don't end, don't even change in terms of their appearance. That is the temporary situation of a jivanmukta who is still affected by prarabdha-karma, and after videhamukti (death) there is the total isolation in Br...
by Rick
Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?
Replies: 298
Views: 7011

Re: Brahman and Atman in Kagyu?

For the Advaitins liberation means the end of all transitory appearances, For Advaitins enlightenment is knowing that the person = atman = brahman. Appearances don't end, don't even change in terms of their appearance. The empirical world remains the same. But one knows that it is mithya = forms/na...
by Rick
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:45 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Without politics this forum has become a little dull
Replies: 4
Views: 229

Re: Without politics this forum has become a little dull

We abandoned our lurid mainstays, CNN and MSNBC, and never looked back. Otoh, I visit Google News, NY Times, Washington Post, Politico, and The Guardian daily just to feel somewhat in with the in crowd.

Is talking about talking about politics ... talking about politics? :spy:
by Rick
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2892

Re: One truth?

The stages by which you enter that reality are as follows: First, having contemplated in dismay the faults and disadvantages of cyclic existence, you should develop a wish to be done with it. Then, understanding that you will not overcome it unless you overcome its cause, you research its roots, co...
by Rick
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:33 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: One truth?
Replies: 126
Views: 2892

Re: One truth?

Emptiness is not a view, I don't think anyone here would say that what emptiness points to is a view, that would be like saying New York City is a symbol on a map. But the doctrine of emptiness is a view ... or if 'view' is too loaded a word: a conceptual construct, a teaching, a pointer, a metaphor.

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