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by tigerdown
Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:56 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western Zen
Replies: 299
Views: 27081

Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

A very insightful article imo. I guess it was an instinctive reaction to the other side of her that kept me on the periphery..possibly to my loss. So I became a student of Trungpa Rinpoche instead...pause for irony. :D I think you made the right choice. Oh, now there is going from the frying pan in...
by tigerdown
Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:17 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western Zen
Replies: 299
Views: 27081

Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

May I ask a question of Matylda? Matylda, some of your opinions on the infallibility of a Roshi, and some other opinions, do not match what I have heard from some Japanese Soto Roshis. Do the opinions you are stating represent mosly your own personal opinion? The opinion of all or most Soto Zen Rosh...
by tigerdown
Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:44 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western Zen
Replies: 299
Views: 27081

Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

I have read through this topic, and it sounds like a bunch of people talking past each other. Zen Priests and all Buddhist Priests have their Precepts on sexuality, some marrying and some not. All seek to uphold their Vows and not misuse sexuality. Some Buddhist priests break their Vows. Some have s...
by tigerdown
Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:20 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: American "Zen"
Replies: 169
Views: 17383

Re: American "Zen"

The OP of this thread, Conze's "Recent Progress in Buddhist Studies", was first published way back in 1959. At that time, Conze was probably right about the state of Zen in American, and the void it was entering, maybe best described by Alan Watts in "Beat Zen vs. Square Zen". But that was a long L...
by tigerdown
Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:58 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: American "Zen"
Replies: 169
Views: 17383

Re: American "Zen"

The OP of this thread, Conze's "Recent Progress in Buddhist Studies", was first published way back in 1959. At that time, Conze was probably right about the state of Zen in American, and the void it was entering, maybe best described by Alan Watts in "Beat Zen vs. Square Zen". But that was a long LO...
by tigerdown
Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:24 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: American "Zen"
Replies: 169
Views: 17383

Re: American "Zen"

Do these largely rare cases among a handful of Buddhist monks mean that there is some systemic problem with ethics in Theradan, Tibetan, Taiwanese and other Buddhism? Of course not, and at least, no more than it would mean so in the American Zen world or Japanese Buddhism in general. School shootin...
by tigerdown
Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:48 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: American "Zen"
Replies: 169
Views: 17383

Re: American "Zen"

I can certainly agree with that. I guess 'guilty' just sounded somewhat harsh to my ear. However, I do feel that Sasaki's fault is really of a different order of magnitude than that of the women he abused. Agreed. However, to avoid future incidents, studying the actual teachings of the Buddha and t...
by tigerdown
Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:56 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Treeleaf Sangha
Replies: 162
Views: 17635

Re: Treeleaf Sangha

But frankly, isn't our time better spent practicing than doing the circles around this thread? I mean it is rare to encounter the Dharma, it's a great blessing and we should all feel immensely grateful to the Buddha all the way down to our teachers who pass it on to us. I am sure we do. And if Jund...
by tigerdown
Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:49 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Treeleaf Sangha
Replies: 162
Views: 17635

Re: Treeleaf Sangha

The absence of evident evidence does not mean that no evidence exists. Greg, you are exactly right. That is why I am willing to entertain the possibility of Barack Obama being born in Nigeria, or Jesus being the son of God born of a virgin birth, despite the presence of "evident evidence". However,...
by tigerdown
Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:27 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Treeleaf Sangha
Replies: 162
Views: 17635

Re: Treeleaf Sangha

One more point worth adding: If you took a survey of active Scientologists, the chances are you would receive a great majority of positive reports about Scientology. However, those positive reports might be discounted because, with a little digging around, one can find much dirt, negative evidence a...
by tigerdown
Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:58 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Treeleaf Sangha
Replies: 162
Views: 17635

Re: Treeleaf Sangha

Let me try a better approach repeating your words exactly: I (not "shel") gave the Jim Jones example to show that just because a couple of members may appear "calm, balanced, level headed and open" it is NOT evidence of a "bright" side. Let us suppose that various groups of members who appear "calm,...
by tigerdown
Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:43 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Treeleaf Sangha
Replies: 162
Views: 17635

Re: Treeleaf Sangha

YOUR INABILITY TO FIND THAT TERRIBLE DIRT DESPITE SEVERAL PEOPLES' DILIGENT EFFORTS OVER MANY DAYS HERE IS THE BEST TESTIMONY FOR THE PLACE . I agree that is the best testimony for Treeleaf. Thank you for that bit of honesty. I am just trying to establish a rational baseline for what constitutes a ...
by tigerdown
Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:08 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Treeleaf Sangha
Replies: 162
Views: 17635

Re: Treeleaf Sangha

If I may speak of one situation I was very concerned about at one time because of the degree of Guru worship and other things going on, that was when I was around Trungpa's group for a few years. Talk about a lack of information and unusual behavior! Decisions were made behind the scenes, and in ret...
by tigerdown
Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:49 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Treeleaf Sangha
Replies: 162
Views: 17635

Re: Treeleaf Sangha

If you find people who seem calm, balanced, level headed and open who say that a Sangha and its teachers are their "cup of tea", there may be no better and more compelling recommendation. I am sure that a number of Reverend Jim Jones's followers would have fitted this description too, so it hardly ...
by tigerdown
Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:30 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Treeleaf Sangha
Replies: 162
Views: 17635

Re: Treeleaf Sangha

Did Brad Warner agree that Jundo should be booted from the Dogen Sangha? I think this worth repeating again and again as some people try first one angle of attack and, if that doesn't work, another then another: Let me give you my rule of thumb: If you find people who seem agitated, angry, resentfu...
by tigerdown
Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:29 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Precepts in China and Japan
Replies: 111
Views: 11697

Re: Precepts in China and Japan

Relying on Tibetan commentators, Donald Lopez discusses other doctrinal views that also make a case for a reading quite close to "Going on, Going on, always Going on, Always Becoming Buddha, Hail, Hail, Hail!" Look from the very bottom of page 170 here to 173. http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=vg8d...
by tigerdown
Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:32 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Precepts in China and Japan
Replies: 111
Views: 11697

Re: Precepts in China and Japan

Let me add that, as a Mantra beyond words, there is also no reason to recite it only in Chinese,San., Japanese, English, Martian or Silently. Anyway, that is also one interpretation.
by tigerdown
Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:27 am
Forum: Zen
Topic: Precepts in China and Japan
Replies: 111
Views: 11697

Re: Precepts in China and Japan

It is rather, shall we say, a creative rendition. The Japanese, as the Chinese, is just a transliteration. The Sanskrit that we have is as follows: [tadyathā oṃ] gate gate pāragate pārasaṃgate bodhi svāhā. Conze has a nice break down of it: ~~ Huifeng If I may offer, having done some small research...
by tigerdown
Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:51 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Treeleaf Sangha
Replies: 162
Views: 17635

Re: Treeleaf Sangha

There are probably others here who can tell you about the threats of lawsuits or other harassing emails and intimidation they faced from Jundo. I only heard of these lawsuits and emails second hand. Yes, I also know about that, and he has discussed it. I believe that involved events and what was pe...
by tigerdown
Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:41 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Treeleaf Sangha
Replies: 162
Views: 17635

Re: Treeleaf Sangha

You fail to identify one post in which I have made a comment you object to. And yes, I refer to him as Mr Cohen, because that's the polite thing to do when you don't know any other way to address him--call him by his proper legal name. Hello Jikan, Yes, if I overreacted, then I apologize. I may hav...