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by Grigoris
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:25 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Who Would Eat This
Replies: 6
Views: 104

Re: Who Would Eat This

Just imagine the uproar if it was Mohammed. I can even imagine some Christians getting pretty loud about it, if it was Jesus. Buddhists will probably just shrug, but I wonder if there are cultures where this would lead to strong objections. If you tried to pull this one in Thailand (for example) I ...
by Grigoris
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:23 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

Profiting off the sale of a weapon that is designed to kill is a lot different than preparing meals I think. This is getting mental. This issue has nothing to do with profit or loss, with legal or illegal it has to do with voluntarily serving an organisation whose primary role (currently) is to kil...
by Grigoris
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:11 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

ford_truckin wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:07 pm
Profiting off the sale of a weapon that is designed to kill is a lot different than preparing meals I think. This is getting mental.
I shoot down your argument and you just move the goal posts?
by Grigoris
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:39 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

Karma is a personal thing. If the killing isn't done themselves then it isn't wrong livelihood. A cook or medic doesn't kill so therefore no negative karma accrued. That's all I'm going to say about it, done with this thread. Gibberish. Selling weapons is also considered wrong livelihood and a pers...
by Grigoris
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:06 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: Lamentation of Rudra Prayer
Replies: 6
Views: 148

Re: Lamentation of Rudra Prayer

If anybody wants the pdf from TBRC contact me by email.
by Grigoris
Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:07 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

I don't have a definite answer, but you apparently agree with my basic premise anyway, despite evidently having a hard time accepting the idea that indeed, there is a difference between being a soldier and cooking for the military. It is definitely a scale of culpability, but the military cook make...
by Grigoris
Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:01 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

Yes. And when needed, this dissent can lead to civil disobedience and outright revolution. Excellent! The cook is saved as the cook can simply not agree with the “poor choice” of the government. Malcolm never mentioned "the cook".You are mixing up with Greg. No, he is deliberately confounding thing...
by Grigoris
Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:42 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Who Would Eat This
Replies: 6
Views: 104

Re: Who Would Eat This

amanitamusc wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:46 am
I heard the chocolate is great from this factory in Portland.
http://www.almachocolate.com/icons/cont ... -sakyamuni
I can think of better ways to spend $20...
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:44 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

Here’s my point: Paying taxes supports the military. You would not murder someone even if threatened with jail and/or a large fine. So, why are you paying taxes that support the military? Is it too inconvenient to stop paying taxes? I pay my taxes with the understanding that I am complicit in actio...
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:05 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

No, but I didn’t say anything about gangs or climbing out of poverty. If joining a gang entails engaging in illegal activities, then no, of course not. But the military is not an illegal organization. The first precept says: Panatipata veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami; "I undertake the training rule...
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

clyde wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:16 pm
Now you’re making excuses.
This is the third time I am asking this question:

Would you make the same excuses for a person that chooses to join a gang to climb out of poverty (for example)?
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

Now you’re making excuses. No I am not. Our government (and yours too I believe) is democratically elected and reflects the will of the people. :rolling: If we didn’t want our tax dollars going to the military, we could vote for candidates who don’t support the military - or not pay our taxes. Good...
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:14 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:57 pm
That class identification never took deep roots among white Anglo Americans.
I beg to differ: IWW.
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by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:43 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

Good luck with that, people still put nation before class. I agree. People do not want to identify as working class, as the idea that the working class is actually the motor of modern history has become unfashionable. People like to identify as something higher or loftier. Identification with one's...
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:38 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

We are all integral parts of the killing machine/process. No we are not. For example: The military is payed for by tax money, but the tax payer is not asked where their taxes will go. An individual, group or company willingly supplying and supporting the military though, well that is a different st...
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:32 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

I guarantee that a large number of yellow jackets voted fir Le Pen. A number of times some far-Right elements tried to infiltrate the demonstrations, but were beaten and kicked out by other protestors. In Greece, during the anti-austerity protests, Golden Dawn members physically supported the polic...
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:21 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Backwards Ati
Replies: 26
Views: 1210

Re: Backwards Ati

Given that CTR is not around to defend against accusations and to explain the context and meaning of this statement, it would be fair (for all involved) to say that the time has now come to lock this thread.
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

ford_truckin wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:57 am
When did being a chef or medic who saves lives become wrong livelihoods? :thinking:
When you are feeding people and patching them up specifically so that they can be more effective at killing. When you are integral part of the killing machine/process.

Nothing exists in a vacuum, yah know?
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:23 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

There aren't really many options out there for lower income people in the states. It isn't like Norway or Sweden where everyone has a chance to get ahead. That is a pretty poor excuse to engage in Wrong Livelihood. A minute ago (in another thread) you were talking about the definitive nature of The...
by Grigoris
Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:56 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Human, you are not necessary.
Replies: 69
Views: 1148

Re: Human, you are not necessary.

ford_truckin wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:49 pm
Military option is always there. It offers free college, healthcare and stable jobs that arent directly involved in killing.Not a bad way to earn a living and climb up the socio economic ladder.
Oh look, a disclaimer. How cute.

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