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by Grigoris
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:00 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Rabbit's Horns
Replies: 69
Views: 1086

Re: Rabbit's Horns

krodha wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:44 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:45 pm
krodha wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:44 am

Do you mean to suggest there is an "unconditioned" that possesses some sort of existence?
Nirvana is unconditioned, right? Would it be correct to say that it does not exist?
Yes it would be correct to say it does not exist.
Not according to Madhyamaka.
by Grigoris
Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:45 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Rabbit's Horns
Replies: 69
Views: 1086

Re: Rabbit's Horns

krodha wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:44 am
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:15 am
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:03 am
:D That is true for everything anyway...
It is not true for the unconditioned.
Do you mean to suggest there is an "unconditioned" that possesses some sort of existence?
Nirvana is unconditioned, right? Would it be correct to say that it does not exist?
by Grigoris
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:15 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Rabbit's Horns
Replies: 69
Views: 1086

Re: Rabbit's Horns

Aryjna wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:03 am
:D That is true for everything anyway...
It is not true for the unconditioned.
by Grigoris
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:01 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Rabbit's Horns
Replies: 69
Views: 1086

Re: Rabbit's Horns

Aryjna wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:00 am
A (truly existent) arising of any phenomenon.
;)
by Grigoris
Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:56 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Rabbit's Horns
Replies: 69
Views: 1086

Re: Rabbit's Horns

Aryjna wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:49 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:23 pm
And yet they do exist, as an object of the mind sense organ. That's how the "self" exists too.
The consciousnesses and their objects do not exist either according to the madhyamaka.
I dare you to find a source that states this.
by Grigoris
Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:23 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Rabbit's Horns
Replies: 69
Views: 1086

Re: Rabbit's Horns

And yet they do exist, as an object of the mind sense organ. That's how the "self" exists too.
by Grigoris
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:18 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Assisted Suicide/ euthanasia
Replies: 59
Views: 2440

Re: Assisted Suicide/ euthanasia

Please stick to the topic. This topic is in the Dharma in Everyday Life subforum and the OP asked: "From a Buddhist view should he be given the right to die or left to suffer in his current condition....?" Any further off-topic posts (ie not related to a Buddhist view of Euthanasia) will be deleted...
by Grigoris
Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:17 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hi- I'm a new member
Replies: 6
Views: 131

Re: Hi- I'm a new member

Welcome Nangzey!

You will find that over the course of time that you will accumulate a number of Dharma names. Don't stress about it. What you do is WAY more important than what you are called! :smile:
by Grigoris
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:13 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Dont follow a lineage (etc.), follow a teacher
Replies: 58
Views: 1117

Re: Dont follow a lineage (etc.), follow a teacher

It's folly because the world is quickly losing the capacity to sustain a tribalistic mentality. Our individual lives must breach the boundaries of what is familiar, comfortable, and selfishly meaningful. For each of us the world must become a bigger place where our affinity is boundless. I can't se...
by Grigoris
Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:36 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 17016

Re: The DJKR Topic

And, yes, I think it is practical because nobody is saying that you cannot receive teachings from this person (and others) in the meantime, nor are they saying that you cannot practice. The 12 years is to see if you wish to devote yourself completely to the teacher. Once you have taken the time and...
by Grigoris
Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:24 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 17016

Re: The DJKR Topic

Not really responsive to my comments. Look - I'm not disputing the desirability of this sort of examination. Just the practicality. I'm not going to attempt to prove a negative proposition for obvious reasons. But are you really questioning the first statement I made above? You don't think it's sub...
by Grigoris
Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:17 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 17016

Re: The DJKR Topic

That's true but not really helpful. Nobody observes this rule. None of our teachers observed this rule. Nobody that anyone can remember observed this rule. You sound very sure of this. You must have some sound evidence to do so. ... but nobody really has a decade to spare, and even if they did, the...
by Grigoris
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:38 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 17016

Re: The DJKR Topic

Yes, everyone from whom you receive empowerment, etc. from is your guru. They may not be your mulaguru or root guru, but they are indeed to be considered your guru. Sorry, I was not being 100% clear, I was commenting in regards to the root guru. That's why the comment by you and PeterC struck me as...
by Grigoris
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:23 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 17016

Re: The DJKR Topic

AND, because it seems you did not read the rest of my statement: I was talking about the Guru-student relationship Taking an empowerment from somebody does not instantly make them your Guru (as you seem to be implying). Yes, in fact it does. Well then, I must have quite a few Guru... Do you have a ...
by Grigoris
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:09 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 17016

Re: The DJKR Topic

It's certainly out there and widely-cited, but it's also somewhat meaningless if it's not observed and historically hasn't ever really been widely observed, surely? No it is not meaningless. If there was a seminal text in wide circulation stating that one should not put hand in a fire and people do...
by Grigoris
Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:46 am
Forum: North America (USA & Canada)
Topic: Garchen Vajrakilaya and More
Replies: 73
Views: 1283

Re: Garchen Vajrakilaya and More

It is normally Ratna Lingpa.
by Grigoris
Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:45 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 17016

Re: The DJKR Topic

Can we pause on this for a minute. The absence of a dozen years of mutual examination isn't exactly a modern, Western problem. Ask any major Tibetan teacher today how long they spent scrutinizing anyone they took empowerments from before receipt of the first empowerment. Indeed go back as long as y...
by Grigoris
Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:07 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 17016

Re: The DJKR Topic

I believe that one of the key points people are forgetting in this discussion is that BEFORE one can even consider taking a teacher as their Guru, both the teacher and the students have to jump through a number of hoops over a 12 year period, so that both are satisfied with the ability/capacity of e...
by Grigoris
Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:34 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Enlightenment success rate
Replies: 247
Views: 9998

Re: Enlightenment success rate

For me, it is quite simple. The Buddha's teaching is about seeing things the way they are. Good luck with 'cleaning' yourself. :) In which case you are opposed to the teaching which you quoted in order to support your view because it quite clearly talks (right at the beginning) about the need to cl...
by Grigoris
Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:46 am
Forum: North America (USA & Canada)
Topic: Garchen Vajrakilaya and More
Replies: 73
Views: 1283

Re: Garchen Vajrakilaya and More

I already actually have the lung for Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya. Can I go ahead and practice that alone now... If you have the lung for a practice you can do it alone anyway. Empowerment is required for self-visualisation. ...even if it this empowerment was for a different Vajrakilaya like the Chok...