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by Grigoris
Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:43 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Collective karma
Replies: 76
Views: 977

Re: Collective karma

We are interacting in our own minds. We each have the concept of communicating with another person, but it all happens within the scope of separate minds. Experience is individual, as there are no shared sense-fields, and the interpretation applied to experience is also individual. Ridiculous. of c...
by Grigoris
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:54 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Collective karma
Replies: 76
Views: 977

Re: Collective karma

We know that all appearances have the nature of illusion, but this does not mean that there are no appearances. Being illusion means it is conditioned by ignorance, it is distorted by mental habits, by karma. In other words, all beings experience what they project as the inner and outer world. That...
by Grigoris
Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:45 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Collective karma
Replies: 76
Views: 977

Re: Collective karma

Yes, ultimately. But at the relative level? That's what we are talking about when it comes to Nirmanakaya. It does explain the relative level being a product of the mind. In the case of ordinary beings, experiences are what a deluded mind imagines out of ignorance. The nirmanakaya that is seen by b...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:14 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Collective karma
Replies: 76
Views: 977

Re: Collective karma

"If one wishes to see the Buddha, then one sees him. If one sees him, then one asks questions. If one asks, then one is answered, he hears the sutras and rejoices greatly. He reflects thus: “Where did the Buddha come from? Where did I go to?” and thinks to himself: “The Buddha came from nowhere, an...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:55 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

Snowbear wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:54 pm
Sure. Which points?
Right, this conversation is obviously over. Thanks for your time.
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:53 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

...you were the one who brought up this discussion of conditioning vs reality in the first place (and, btw, placed yourself firmly in the latter camp while explaining it). :jumping: In any case, the earliest shot fired was in the 1st page or so when you told Malcolm he was drunk from a Tsog because...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:47 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Collective karma
Replies: 76
Views: 977

Re: Collective karma

Is it your doing that you were raped? No! So is it a coincidence because it isn't your doing? Good and bad experiences are the result of good and bad deeds. That is the basic concept of how action and result work (see: Cūḷakammavibhaṅgasutta ). Furthermore, the results are not produced by someone e...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:39 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

Snowbear wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:30 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:27 pm
How?

Because you're ignoring the contingency of your own final vocabulary.
And you guys are not? Check how you sorted out for me, between yourselves, exactly what I need to do in order to adopt the correct (your) view.

:shrug:
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:27 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

...but you're positing yourself in a more advantageous position. The only value of bringing this up in this thread is to validate your POV as "closer to how things really are" and putting your opponents in this discussion at a disadvantage of being unwittingly bogged down by their "conditioning." W...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:15 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

You are indirectly saying here that your POV has risen above the conditioning, but other's (who don't agree with you) haven't. I am saying that our conditioning influences our views. Having been conditioned outside of the particular view it is easier for me to see it's effect and then try to use th...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:04 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

When did being humble about one's opinions become nihilism? I feel like you're trolling. I'm sorry... I made a statement and you responded to the statement. Your response seemed to me to be positing a nihilist position. All I said is that there is a conditioned reality and recognising how it is con...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:01 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:57 pm
The only person here that has been making ad hom arguments is you. This is in fact your general approach to people on the forum. Its abusive.
I am going to say it one more time: I am not making personal attacks against you.

Now you are resorting to red herrings.
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:55 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

Snowbear wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:51 pm
Uh, huh...your hand waving to transform your POV into "reality" is noted.
So you are positing a nihilist position then?
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:54 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

There, that's refreshing. You do in fact recognize there is a difference between racism and systemic racism. Good for you. Ummmm... No. If you ask a victim of racism whether they perceive a difference between what YOU describe as "simple" and systemic racism, well, I won't talk on their behalf. Go ...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:50 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

Man, it is not my problem if you do not want look past your conditioning to see the reality of your position in society. There is no such thing as circumventing conditioning and seeing some "reality." yes there is, it is called overcoming ignorance. Of course this does not mean that there is some o...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:39 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

There, that's refreshing. You do in fact recognize there is a difference between racism and systemic racism. Good for you. Ummmm... No. If you ask a victim of racism whether they perceive a difference between what YOU describe as "simple" and systemic racism, well, I won't talk on their behalf. Go ...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:14 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

Sure on can and one should. Read a dictionary. We have had this discussion before and I recommended you go ask a black person or a Native American about the distinction between simple and systemic racism. Did you try that? No, because you are beneficiary of systemic racism, so you don't actually ha...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:38 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

What country doesn't have a bit of blood on its hands, you know Greg, if you read a bit of your own history even the Greeks have been involved in a few atrocities and I wouldn't mind a side bet that they stretch back a bit further than 1788. This is called Whataboutism, a variant of the tu quoque l...
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:34 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:37 am
Karma does not work that way. There is no such thing as collective karma. If what you are asserting is correct, then even the poorest humans are complicit in the suffering of all animals.
Huh?
by Grigoris
Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:33 pm
Forum: News & Current Events
Topic: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria
Replies: 232
Views: 2814

Re: US and Allies Launch Strikes on Syria

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:01 pm
No. Use the dictionary, shaunc is quite correct. What you are talking about is systemic racism, and that is different than simple racism.
No. You cannot separate the two.

Anyway, you should also ask yourself who wrote the definition and for whom.