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by Grigoris
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:43 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Kindly pardon me if I'm not correct in this, but it does seem you are not fully familiar with what an appeal to authority is. As Malcolm just noted if you both accept the authority then there is no logical fallacy in appealing to it. Further, the appeal to authority fallacy is actually about an app...
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:18 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

And as Maitreyanatha explains in the Uttaratantra , the Dharma, and the Sangha are all impermanent, and therefore, they are not ultimate refuges. Only the Buddha is an ultimate refuge: Because of abandonment, because of possessing deceptive phenomena, because of nonexistence, and because of perisha...
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:15 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

dzogchungpa wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:07 pm
Dudes, I just totally had a pure vision of Mami Wata!

:woohoo:
My Damballah trumps your Mami Wata any day of the week!


by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:47 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Earlier in this thread, you claimed that Dharma is an ultimate reality. Others said no. I don't think there's any such thing as ultimate reality at all, but I do feel that Dharma articulates an ultimate truth. Maybe more than one ultimate truth... lots of 'em. Does denying an ultimate reality mean ...
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:45 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

DGA wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:40 pm
Who is denying the validity of relative truth?
It is all just opinion, man! The dude does not abide anywhere.
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:41 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Quay wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:09 pm
No, Dharma is simply another fabrication. The difference though between it and most everything else is that it is not an untrue fabrication.
No. The conceptualisation of Dharma by the mind is a fabrication, Dharma is unconditioned. Otherwise it would not be a valid object of Refuge.
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:23 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Well, if this thread has taught me one thing, it is the danger of denying the validity of relative truth. How quickly and easily denying it's validity leads to ego-centered nihilism.
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:41 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Εxcellent, so now I can validly quote anything I want as an expression of Dharma. No more eternalists and nihilists, no more tirthika, Dharma is now anything I want it to be. Buddhism is now whatever-feels-good New Ageism! :twothumbsup:

Somehow, I don't think so.
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:54 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Hindus, Christians, Muslims, and Jews feel blessed by their own texts and traditions. I don't feel any blessings from their texts or traditions at all. So the answer is both yes and no. For me, those texts have no blessings. But I certainly would not claim that they feel no blessings from those tex...
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:48 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

that your support for the authenticity of Aro gTer is also based on your own jaundiced eye. In which case you just hoisted yourself on your own petard. Who ever said I supported it's validity. I am just tired of seeing people beating them up over and over again for no better reason other than to ex...
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:36 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Pero wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:59 pm
Is there any "objective reality"?
Dharma.
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:34 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Pagan Deity Propitiation by Dharma Siblings
Replies: 34
Views: 845

Re: Pagan Deity Propitiation by Dharma Siblings

Mantrik wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:59 pm
That's correct. 'You' don't. After self-generation, the deity is key to the process.
Indeed!!!
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

There is one thing positive that has come out of this discussion: Mantrik and Simon E have finally found something they agree on! :smile:
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:30 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

The usual excuse Buddhists give for Bonpo texts is that some kind Buddhist wrote a text using Bonpo lingo, in order to establish some kind of connection for Bonpos with Buddhism. But what of Bon texts that have no contact with Buddhists? Do they lack blessings? One could then ask: Do Hindu and Abra...
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:27 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

This is exactly, precisely, the very thing Sakya Paṇḍita accused Nyingmapas of doing, that is, finding old books in the ground for which the they did not have the transmission, and just bestowing the empowerments anyway. LOL! When you put it like that it sounds kind of bad haha. But I think this al...
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:23 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

It is not like there is a treasure ratification committee. Treasures are "ratified" because a highly respected person reviews the text by various means and decides it is good. But it is all based on the chain of authority that ends with one's own personal decision to accept or reject this or that t...
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:24 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Simon E. wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:31 pm
The question is whether THEY think they are following an authentic path..and they do.
Do you even need to ask that question?
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:23 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: What it means to be a ngakpa

All because Malcolm had some sort of epiphany and is now grovelling to seek favor from people that he was once hurling fecal matter at? Well, you seem fully committed to hurling shit in my place. Carry on. No, I am not hurling shit. I am asking some questions in regards to evidence of their authent...
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:22 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Any takers for the question regarding Doc Chogyam's teachers?
by Grigoris
Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:21 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 155
Views: 2564

Re: What it means to be a ngakpa

You wouldn't bother making the effort to receive or work with the pure vision practices etc.without some faith. Indeed not. You're making it an 'either/or' issue, which it isn't. No I am not. Paying lip service and performing sadhanas etc. while dissecting and testing them for this and that, with n...