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by Grigoris
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:02 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 24
Views: 469

Re: What is the nature of mind?

Can we get on with the discussion now that we have finished with the ad homs?

Thanks guys!
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:09 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 24
Views: 469

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

I may agree with one over the other, but that is just my conceptualising and dualising mind playing games. I will keep that in mind and ignore all of your comments then, since they are just the random mutterings of your mind and are not to be taken seriously on any level. Whereas your's are the tar...
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:45 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 24
Views: 469

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Greg, you are not conversing in good faith. I am conversing in good faith and I feel that the example I gave is quite relevant. Christian also argue with each other on the basis of logic too. You should read some of the trinatairan vs non-trinatarian ( (Homoousianism and Arianism) debates. The Trin...
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:31 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 24
Views: 469

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:24 pm
No, it is not merely an opinion. There is an entire Madhyamaka literature which definitively refutes the Yogācāra school in terms of citations and reasoning.
And the Catholics have a few things to say about Protestant and Orthodox Christians... :roll:
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:53 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 24
Views: 469

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:49 pm
According to all Indian Mādhyamikas, if someone's practice is based on the Yogacāra view, the latter will not achieve the path of seeing.
That is an opinion, not a fact.

An opinion that proved rather dangerous for the Jonangpa.
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 24
Views: 469

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

In terms of philosophical positions, this assertion (that self-aware clarity is ultimate) does not go beyond Yogacāra. As a consequence, meditating from a perspective that holds that such self-aware clarity is ultimate leads to rebirth in the formless realms at best. So East Asian Chan and Zen prac...
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:06 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What is the nature of mind?
Replies: 24
Views: 469

What is the nature of mind?

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:06 pm
This kind of self-awareness is rejected in Dzogchen teachings, since it does not go beyond the level of yogacāra and leads to the formless realms.
So, are you saying that Yogachara is not a valid path of liberation and that it only leads to rebirth in the formless realms?
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:41 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB
Replies: 55
Views: 2033

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

Since we are talking Mahasiddha's.Osho had a sweet tooth for Tilopa. :yinyang: https://www.amazon.com/Only-One-Sky-Tantric-Mahamudra/dp/0525474404 He had a sweet tooth for anything that would make him money... Osho the greatest non-buddhist master of all time :bow: One of the greatest modern spirit...
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:09 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB
Replies: 55
Views: 2033

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

Adamantine wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:46 am
I see. So that’s a context for one type of exception..
And once that stage is set...
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:55 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB
Replies: 55
Views: 2033

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

So much about making precise distinctions: if it was a “Hindu” mahasiddha it follows that s/he was not a tantrika but a verdantist? :shrug: No. All mahasiddhas are tantrikas and not vedantins. In fact, even in Hindu tantras you can find very bad opinions about the vedas themselves. tp. So they are ...
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:54 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra
Replies: 19
Views: 544

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Not really. We aren't all part of a tathagatagarbha. I think your are being overly literal in the interpretation of the passage. The Tathagatagarbha is also referred to as the Dharmadhatu in some traditions, where the Dharmadhatu is the ground/space of all existence. If somebody views the passage a...
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:30 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB
Replies: 55
Views: 2033

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

Back to the topic please people.
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra
Replies: 19
Views: 544

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Can we please stay on topic for once?

Pretty please?

Thanks.

Off topic discussion moved here: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=30336
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:46 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB
Replies: 55
Views: 2033

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

tatpurusa wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:35 pm
And also Mina/Matsyendra/Luipa
There is no mention in Luipa's biography that he held a Hindu lineage. Just that his teacher was Savaripa.

You are right about Minapa though. He is supposed to have received his practice directly from Mahadeva himself.
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:37 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB
Replies: 55
Views: 2033

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

tatpurusa wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:35 pm
And also Mina/Matsyendra/Luipa
The one's I mentioned are identified in their titles as Nath.
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:10 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB
Replies: 55
Views: 2033

Re: Mind essence introduced in advaita and TB

There are four Nath Siddhas mentioned among the 84 Mahasiddhas: Goraksha, Caurangipa, Kantalipa and Carbaripa.

There is also the Kapali Siddha Kapalapa.
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by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:01 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra
Replies: 19
Views: 544

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Not really. We aren't all part of a tathagatagarbha. I think your are being overly literal in the interpretation of the passage. The Tathagatagarbha is also referred to as the Dharmadhatu in some traditions, where the Dharmadhatu is the ground/space of all existence. If somebody views the passage a...
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:52 am
Forum: Meditation
Topic: Question on using multiple mantras
Replies: 4
Views: 197

Re: Question on using multiple mantras

Last year after having it suggested to me by multiple parties I began to practice recitation of the Cundi dharani as a part of my sadhana, primarily during formal sitting sessions, but also throughout the day when I'm able to keep accurate track of my count, as well as for prostrations. For those o...
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:09 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra
Replies: 19
Views: 544

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:18 am
What chapter is this - from the Sir John Woodroffe (1865–1936) translation?
It is from the end of the concluding chapter.
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:57 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra
Replies: 19
Views: 544

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

amanitamusc wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:00 am
(iii) As the Sun (though one and the same) when reflected in different platters of water appears to be many, so by illusion the one soul appears to be many in the different bodies in which it abides (132).[/i]
That last one is a killer.
Dharmadhatu anyone? Or maybe Tathagatagarbha?
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