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by Grigoris
Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:28 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What is an existential threat to Dharma?
Replies: 15
Views: 376

Re: What is an existential threat to Dharma?

Threatening to blow up statues and monuments is not a threat to Buddhadharma You've got to be bloody joking. Blowing up statues has got to be one of the biggest shows of a lack of respect I could think of. Weirdly enough, the people destroying images and statues believe that the images and statues ...
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:55 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Tsoknyi Rinpoche has this thing where he says ok, I'm now going to give you the final ultimate super-secret mantra empowerment please sit up and pay attention - "who cares?" That's it. Oh, wait, I forgot to make it super holy - "Om, who cares, Soha". :rolling: It doesn't get more establishment ("au...
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:43 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

The Buddha when referred to prior to his awakening is called the Bodhisattva in Hinayāna texts. Are you repeating my point for your sake or for mine? :roll: In the Bhayabherava Sutta Buddha mentions that he recalled his myriad pasts lives, who he was, what his name was an so on during the first wat...
by Grigoris
Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:21 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What is an existential threat to Dharma?
Replies: 15
Views: 376

Re: What is an existential threat to Dharma?

The nonsense spouted by Buddhists is the greatest existential threat to Dharma. :tongue:
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:30 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Eternal doesn't mean "a long time ago". Quite obviously, discovering an ancient path through a forest doesn't mean that path exists eternally. I think yoou will find it is metaphorical. When the Buddha spoke of rediscovering the Ancient Path I don't think he meant rediscovering the path that existe...
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:43 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

The Buddha is not here asserting the Dharme is permanent or eternal. He is asserting that in the course of practice during the night he awakened fully that in reviewing his past lifetimes he recalled the teaching he had received from past buddhas. Say what??? Here is the original for context: http:...
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:22 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: Four Dharma Seals
Replies: 15
Views: 380

Re: Four Dharma Seals

Let's keep meta-discussion to an absolute minimum please. Thanks.
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:14 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

PeterC wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:51 am
There once was a man from Oddiyana
Who mastered all the nine yanas
From a lotus he sprung
A Vidyadhara to become
But were his teachings the Dharma?
There was a man from the US
Who said that opinion is all there is.
He stated that the Dharma is compounded
and left everybody confounded.
;)
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:18 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: Four Dharma Seals
Replies: 15
Views: 380

Re: Four Dharma Seals

Taken from the Aro Authenticity Debate https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=27652&p=431249&hilit=four+seals#p431249 Karma Dorje said it already and so did I: If it conforms to the Four Dharma Seals then it is Dharma. Whether well-spoken or not. Fun or not. Brocaded or not. What are the Four...
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:08 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Likewise if someone claimed Krishnamurti or a used car salesman or a parrot taught dharma, I think those claims could likewise not withstand scrutiny for very long. Problem is that somebody here is saying that the Dharma, being a compounded phenomenon, has no stable meaning and thus anything can be...
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:03 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

For example, Greg, who believes the Dharma is some timeless principle, like Plato's forms. Take it up with the Buddha: An ancient path rediscovered "It is just as if a man, traveling along a wilderness track, were to see an ancient path, an ancient road, traveled by people of former times. He would...
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:37 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

DGA wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:03 am
I just wanted to make reference to a Butthole Surfers album.
I noticed it, but then, I am a fan from WAY back... :twothumbsup:
by Grigoris
Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:07 am
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

It never states in any sūtra or tantra for that matter, that the Dharma, the teaching of the Buddha, is permanent. Maitreyanatha in fact states just the opposite of your opinion. I already answered to Maitreyanatha's opinion. Confusing dharmatā, etc., with the Dharma is confusing something uncondit...
by Grigoris
Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:16 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

You have certainly offered nothing as an objective standard for how to know what to accept and what to reject. I don't think you are up to the challenge either. Karma Dorje said it already and so did I: If it conforms to the Four Dharma Seals then it is Dharma. So then you accept Advaita Vedanta as...
by Grigoris
Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:14 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

We've just covered this. The Dharma is impermanent, and subject to decay and destruction. It is seems funny to call something subject to decay and destruction "ultimate truth." No it is not. The conceptualised notion of Dharma is impermanent and subject to decay. If the Dharma was subject to change...
by Grigoris
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:38 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:32 pm
There is no ultimate truth, ultimately. But go ahead and try to find it. Be my guest.
The Dharma is the ultimate truth. That is why we take Refuge in it.
by Grigoris
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:35 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

You have certainly offered nothing as an objective standard for how to know what to accept and what to reject. I don't think you are up to the challenge either. Karma Dorje said it already and so did I: If it conforms to the Four Dharma Seals then it is Dharma. Whether well-spoken or not. Fun or no...
by Grigoris
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:19 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

It is pretty simple -- there isn't the slightest bit of empirical evidence that from Mahāyāna onward any of these texts, sūtra and tantras, long oral lineage or short treasure lineage, were indeed spoken by the Buddha and so on. Based upon this, I really think the standard of accepting and rejectin...
by Grigoris
Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:02 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Question about removing christian/etc. baptism
Replies: 42
Views: 727

Re: Question about removing christian/etc. baptism

Btw guys, is not the name "baptism" my business on this, but the bound made to this deva... Even the presumption that the religion in question is connected to some sort of deva is lending a bit too much credibility in their direction, in my opinion. I was baptized as a child and attended Sunday sch...
by Grigoris
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:34 pm
Forum: Nyingma
Topic: The Aro Authenticity Debate.
Replies: 314
Views: 6429

Re: The Aro Authenticity Debate.

If Magnus is correct, then it seems to me that many of us (most of us?) in the Nyingma sub must have samaya with the same teachers as the Aro folk. That is not insignificant. Indeed. And it also seems to feed into the post in the link I shared. It seems to verify that they actually belong to a line...