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by Holybla
Fri May 10, 2013 5:22 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

But for a) those who are caught in ignorance [avidyā], or b), are fluctuating in their integration [unripened vidyā]; the words are not dzogchen because they're being related to dualistically (they are wisdom essentially, but that's irrelevant because it's recognition or non-recognition which is th...
by Holybla
Fri May 10, 2013 5:15 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

Are you saying your Dzogchen teacher showed you an intellectual nature of mind? Hehe. Yes, ChNN also explains what is meant by the terms "nature of mind". I don't know why you are asking this... To point out the contradictions inherent in your argument. Respectfully, I say one should not use Dzogch...
by Holybla
Fri May 10, 2013 2:05 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience
Replies: 61
Views: 6540

Re: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience

Don't the dharma masters say that mind is artifice? We are the artificial intelligences. One day the robots will think, how did we get this way? Why do we think like this? Then billions of years later we will be right back into these same questions, unless like the robot in that Korean flick that at...
by Holybla
Fri May 10, 2013 1:55 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

MalaBeads wrote:"I'm not having fun anymore and want off this ride..."

Holybla,

Good luck with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A&sns=em
Now i'm laughing... :rolling:
by Holybla
Fri May 10, 2013 1:55 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

Isn't it 'birds of a feather, flock together'?... Maybe hugging together is the saying where you're from I dunno. And ok discussion over, except ka dag and lhun grub aren't really proper equivalents to the two-truths. Vidyā and avidyā is the dzogchen treatment. Vidyā the single truth, everything el...
by Holybla
Fri May 10, 2013 12:51 am
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

Respectfully, I say one should not use Dzogchen to prove points. Aren't you also using dzogchen to prove a point? If someone asks, what is the base? You can answer that. But to use points from the transmission to debate is a misuse of Dzogchen teachings. You're also using points from transmission t...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 11:52 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience
Replies: 61
Views: 6540

Re: Artificial Intelligence & Sentience

In a popular scifi series about sentient machines the artificial humans minds are constantly being 'backed-up' (wirelessly or non-materially :quoteunquote: ) to a storage facility. When the machines are killed they are reborn with new bodies and their stored minds in a rebirth facility. In this sce...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 11:46 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

IMHO this thread is a bit of devilry...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 11:45 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

gregkavarnos wrote:
Holybla wrote:Distinguishing mind and nature isn't intellectual.
Are you saying that your teacher is wasting their time teaching?
Are you saying your Dzogchen teacher showed you an intellectual nature of mind? Hehe.

I don't know why you are asking this...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 11:42 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

I never suggested one's nature was logic, nor did I suggest recognition occurs independent of transmission. I agree the rigpai tsalwang doesn't have anything to do with talk of karma, however there is no harm in understanding karma and how it functions, the cause of delusion, what fuels the fire of...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 10:18 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

@asun... Description of base isn't reasoning. Dzogchen is your nature not logic. Recognition depend on transmission. It's that simple indeed. The transmission isn't anything to do with talk about Karma. Ati GY and presence is awareness of ones karmic situation. I never suggested one's nature was lo...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 9:22 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

@asun...

Description of base isn't reasoning. Dzogchen is your nature not logic. Recognition depend on transmission. It's that simple indeed. The transmission isn't anything to do with talk about Karma. Ati GY and presence is awareness of ones karmic situation.
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 8:09 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

@Jnana You win. Except I don't agree with your differentiation of cause and condition. This then that is hardly a theory of causes or conditions. It stating a relationship of one thing follows another, not that one thing acts upon another. IMO this is a deep topic. Hume says the same thing, there's ...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 6:18 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

Oushi I do not dwell in Rigpa. It is quite obvious that you dont either. :lol: And because of that we should derogate everyone that claims he dwells in it? No. I would be quite happy to hear that someone from this honorable company dwells in Rigpa. Unfortunately, I can only find people trying pull ...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 6:14 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Uncertain Minds: How the West Misunderstands Buddhism

Just because there is no inherent existence to your body does not mean that is does not change. In fact, the very nature of impermanence and cause and effect shows that there is no "I" in your body. If what you are trying to say is that karma has no inherent existence then you are correct, but that...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 6:13 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Uncertain Minds: How the West Misunderstands Buddhism

OK, then dzogchen doesn't discard the idea of causality either. The difference between negating and discarding is huge, but you seem to share the same view toward both. I am not willing to go into the subject, mostly because of such attitude. From the sources concerning the subject that are availab...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 6:11 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Uncertain Minds: How the West Misunderstands Buddhism

The Budha (and countless other realised beings). How did they prove, that deluded being is not liberated after death? Leaning on Buddha teachings, we can (and we do) believe in rebirth, but it is just a belief. I do not really understand what you are saying here. ok... what if there are tree gravit...
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 6:06 pm
Forum: Zen
Topic: Zen, dhyana, and non-meditation
Replies: 40
Views: 5954

Re: Zen, dhyana, and non-meditation

Zen and nonmeditation are not meditation. Meditation is using the mind to concentrate on something. Your nature is beyond the mind.
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 3:58 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzog Chen and Zen?
Replies: 19
Views: 2985

Re: Dzog Chen and Zen?

To my mind the fundamental difference is the Dzogchen teaching on sounds, lights and rays.
by Holybla
Thu May 09, 2013 2:42 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth
Replies: 158
Views: 13188

Re: Dzogchen, karma and ultimate truth

Ummm.... Again, I think it was you who was theorizing about the nature of karma and causality. I was just making a point that all of the dzogchen masters, including Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche emphasize how important it is not to overlook your actions and results. If you really think that I must be a lo...

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