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by smcj
Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:23 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas
Replies: 160
Views: 2196

Re: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas

then and this is this mornings nightmare for me...you seem to be referring to this primordial state as Buddha Nature... Bingo. BTW this interpretation of Buddha Nature is not universal. The same text(s) that get spun as such are also interpreted in a number of other ways. "The Uttaratantra&quo...
by smcj
Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:51 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas
Replies: 160
Views: 2196

Re: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas

I disagree that it is a Dzogchen discussion. I say it is a Buddha Nature discussion... The difference being what exactly? ;) Dzogchen is a practice. You do it. Buddha Nature is a Teaching. You think about it. They are related but not the same. anyway i still say this is a form of creationism and th...
by smcj
Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:44 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas
Replies: 160
Views: 2196

Re: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas

so don;t hang me for calling something like a primordial state , with the absence of a sentient being, the creator.

That does sound a little Meister Eckhart-ish to me.
by smcj
Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:28 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas
Replies: 160
Views: 2196

Re: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas

...but that doesn't really matter if a bunch of people are secretly buying into a primordial state from which everything comes from.... Guilty, and it's no secret. Not everybody here agrees with me however. well thats creationism... i realize in the west especially modern america with it's fascinat...
by smcj
Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:13 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas
Replies: 160
Views: 2196

Re: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas

...but that doesn't really matter if a bunch of people are secretly buying into a primordial state from which everything comes from.... Guilty, and it's no secret. Not everybody here agrees with me however. ***** Beyond that, honestly I must say I don't understand what it is we are trying to discus...
by smcj
Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:34 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas
Replies: 160
Views: 2196

Re: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas

ok so hopefully you see now i did not know it was a Dzogchen discussion... I disagree that it is a Dzogchen discussion. I say it is a Buddha Nature discussion, specifically with a Shentong interpretation of the Buddha Nature teachings. I could say that such actually is also a Dzogchen discussion, b...
by smcj
Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:27 pm
Forum: Sūtra Studies
Topic: Favorite Sutra?
Replies: 17
Views: 1322

Re: Favorite Sutra?

The Uttaratantra, hands down.
by smcj
Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:10 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas
Replies: 160
Views: 2196

Re: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas

for without some sort of intention ,or Unborn natural Will as i put forth, none of the above quotes can come about.... You seem to have created a panic here. Good for you! If you want something to read that explains this read a commentary on "The Uttartantra", which is a treatise on Buddh...
by smcj
Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:35 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Indigenizing Dharma
Replies: 134
Views: 2369

Re: Indigenizing Dharma

From a New Atheist perspective, they believe that their perspective is "reality-as-it-is", to use Buddhist phraseology.

That's perfectly ok.
by smcj
Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:09 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Indigenizing Dharma
Replies: 134
Views: 2369

Re: Indigenizing Dharma

So a relative geographical given is the standard for discerning Truth? There is no standardized mechanism for establishing which teachings you find credible. Since we live in a society that does not support those kinds of ideas it is an entirely individual matter. It's your karma, it's your Path. H...
by smcj
Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:22 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Indigenizing Dharma
Replies: 134
Views: 2369

Re: Indigenizing Dharma

As a former New Atheist... So what made you change your mind? Questioning if my metaphysical stances were actually superior, smarter, and more reasonable than most peoples'. Questioning if I was really more advanced than my "religionist" peers. Also getting older and having a more informe...
by smcj
Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:52 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Indigenizing Dharma
Replies: 134
Views: 2369

Re: Indigenizing Dharma

...I can guarantee that the entirity of the Buddhadharma is considered fake superstitious nonsense by them (with the possible but unlikely exception of Sam Harris) on par with believing in Santa Claus. Well ok I guess. In one way it's a shame, but it doesn't make me cry myself to sleep at night. Th...
by smcj
Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:18 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas
Replies: 160
Views: 2196

Re: if we are Buddhas are we the 3 Kayas

I came across this tidbit and thought it belonged on this thread. First a footnote from "TARA the Feminine Divine" by Bokar Rinpoche. Note 11 says that the Bodies of the Buddha (Kayas) can be broken down into two, three or four categories. When talking about four Bodies you are talking abo...
by smcj
Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:33 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Tara
Replies: 20
Views: 409

Re: Tara

In the Sarma traditions the levels of tantra go from outer, to inner, to secret, to most secret, etc. The deity on the Kryiya level is like a lord and we are like a vassal. It is understood as external to us. As you go up the levels of tantra the deity comes closer and more on par with our own natur...
by smcj
Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:25 am
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Tara
Replies: 20
Views: 409

Re: Tara

ibid, p. 77: Q: The prayer addressed to Tara allows us to obtain all we wish, whatever our wish. And if our wish is not good like the wish of a thief to be successful? A: The buddhas and bodhisattvas' dedication is entirely directed to benefiting beings. Buddhas and bodhisattvas have three great qua...
by smcj
Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:39 am
Forum: Discovering Mahayana Buddhism
Topic: How to meditate on death?
Replies: 16
Views: 236

Re: How to meditate on death?

I cam across this Bard-ism and thought it belonged in this thread. Sounds like Macbeth had been reading the teachings on impermanence and death! Macbeth. Act 5, Scene 5, lines 19-28: To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded ...
by smcj
Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:07 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Indigenizing Dharma
Replies: 134
Views: 2369

Re: Indigenizing Dharma

So the first step in 'indigenizing Dharma' is breaking out of the instinctive scientific naturalism of Western culture. That was a lot of work to get to that summation. Nice. You asked for a _secularized_ version. Obviously, things get lost in secularization, as my rendition shows. Oops. Sorry. Too...
by smcj
Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:37 pm
Forum: Discovering Mahayana Buddhism
Topic: How to meditate on death?
Replies: 16
Views: 236

Re: How to meditate on death?

Does this not lead to nihilism or apathy for you? If you don't believe in an afterlife then it's pretty depressing. If you do believe in an afterlife then the things that still matter after death come to the fore. What are those things? The classic teaching is: Cease negative actions. Do positive a...
by smcj
Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:09 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Indigenizing Dharma
Replies: 134
Views: 2369

Re: Indigenizing Dharma

Try to indigenize this into a secular worldview: https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=24957 Easy: "It's all in your head. Just relax." However, as long as we have not realized ultimate reality, we are exposed to suffering and fear that we conceive as real. It is in this relati...
by smcj
Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:11 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: Tara
Replies: 20
Views: 409

Re: Tara

PuerAzaelis wrote:What else is there?

Personally I'd start by praying to Tara that nobody comes along and sticks a fork in my hand.
:smile:

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