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by smcj
Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:19 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

A friendly observation. You spend a lot of time here debating opinions with people. Is that helping you more than using that time for studying and practicing would, since you actually live in in a monastery? I only started reading this forum because I have to sit through a lot of conference calls: ...
by smcj
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:20 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

smcj, If you want to understand guru yoga, then you should receive teachings on this from a qualified teacher. Merely reading books will not do it I'm afraid. I live in a Karma Kagyu monastery. I’ve specifically asked about GY from the resident retreat master for the 3 year retreats. There are also...
by smcj
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:02 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

Which Guru Yoga are you talking about? I’ve been quoting from Ringu Tulku’s book “THE NGONDRO: Foundation Practices of Mahamudra”. It’s a teaching on a Karma Kagyu NgonDro. On another thread I quoted RT making a distinction between the guru/student relationship and the practice of Guru Yoga from th...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:35 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

If we are proceeding by separating the guru/student relationship from the Guru Yoga meditation, here is a partial description of the GY practice: More Ringu Tulku quotes ibid p.100 You can visualize yourself like her even if you are a tall macho muscled man with beard and all! In the Vajrayana pract...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:39 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

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I have only received empowerments from a handful and those after spending several years reading and listening to them first. So I'm not exactly setting *myself* up for a fall. How would you be set up for a fall by taking initiation from a lama on tour? If you do not have an actual personal relation...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:19 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

I hadn't realized that just receiving even a small amount of teaching was considered, at least by some, to entail such a commitment. While it's not clear how literally it is intended to be taken I think it is indicative of a traditional persepctive that is at least worthy of consideration I sat and...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:08 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

What if you or other people made a mistake, and have samaya with him. Is that not possible? Then it's a mess. There are several scenarios possible. DJKR implies that Sogyal R was unqualified to give samaya, so there's no problem in taking action against him. Mingyur R. says if things aren't to your...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:56 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

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Of course the difficulty here for me is still how in a more devotion-based system, if one is unfortunate to encounter an unqualified teacher, what's the way out? As per Mingyur R.'s piece in Lion's Roar, just leave. That's not a problem. But try leave on good terms. OTOH, if you see someone else be...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:39 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

So there are scenarios where you take empowerment from some lama on tour and you never get to meet him. On a Vajrayana level he is your guru, but obviously you have no teacher to student relationship with him. What elements, if any, of the GY are in play in that situation?
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:38 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

More Ringu Tulku quotes from his book on NgonDro: p.90 Now as to the guru, the main thing I am trying to explain is that how much you are devoted to the guru depends on your own perception. If you are absolutely sure that the guru is a completely enlightened being, that whatever he/she says is right...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:50 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

To be clear, I have never posted anything in support of Sogyal rinpoche here, and personally I cannot regard him as an enlightened being. The problem is that anything said in support of seeing the guru as pure is instantly translated into the idea that the post is in support of Sogyal R. And the ne...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:18 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

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In the same way, what looks like sexual abuse in any other context doesn't suddenly become enlightened action just because it is done by someone you consider a "guru" (who didn't even give any empowerments). In practice, no. In theory, yes. The theory of course is based on assumption that the guru ...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:16 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

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The Buddha also sneezed and shat. Guruyoga is not about viewing every little action as some enlightened gesture as far as I understand it. There are teachings to that effect. I can't source it, but I remember reading that when a Buddha moves his head to the left or right it is completely meaningful...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:43 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

MiphamFan wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:42 am
Not my job to explain it. Use your own reasoning. If you want to view every sneeze and :toilet: your teacher takes as pure go ahead.
Do you think the practice should be discontinued?
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:38 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

You can keep harping on about how seeing every little action your guru takes as "pure" is part of "guruyoga", just remember not everyone was taught to do that. Actually I was taught it depended not the specific person how important it was. For some it is more important than others depending on pers...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:21 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

You said you would try to stop conflating the two but you haven't. You can parse it out as separate if you like, as per the Ringu Tulku quote in the other thread. The thought experiment is still valid. I probably should quote further from Ringu Tulku's NgonDro book so those other quotes have a cont...
by smcj
Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:32 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

Re: The DJKR Topic

I want to conserve the Dharma, and it sickens me that people use the name of Dharma for depravity I agree about conserving Dharma. I agree that Dharma should not be used to abuse people. I think the move to confront Sogyal was long overdue. And I see the Guru Yoga, as It has been practiced, as bein...
by smcj
Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:25 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

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The thing is, this subject should have been thrashed out decades ago. Sogyal was sued before, but even more painful and tragic was the whole Ösen Tendzin episode. How black and white do you want to get? Why is this current drama at all a surprise? The two big differences I can see are the internet a...
by smcj
Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:50 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

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Can’t source it, but I believe they’re handing out condoms on Bhutanese monasteries to stop the spread of STDs.
by smcj
Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:16 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The DJKR Topic
Replies: 687
Views: 16892

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The environment they grew up in did not allow for it. This is absolute nonsense. Chogyal Namkhai Norbu has publicly discussed the phenomena of monastic pedophiles who targeted him and other young tulkus in the monasteries. As have others such as Yangsi Kalu Rinpoche. It is hard to hear such account...