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by Sherab
Sat Apr 06, 2024 3:08 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?
Replies: 46
Views: 2336

Re: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?

they don't emanate into different truths I guess you are not a tantric practitioner. Anything in relative truth is a deluded cognition, ergo a first cause is deluded cognition. I did not claim that the first cause is a relative truth. If you had read my other posts on this thread, that would have b...
by Sherab
Sat Apr 06, 2024 3:32 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?
Replies: 46
Views: 2336

Re: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?

All dharmas whether compounded or uncompounded are illusory, and illusions do not arise. So it would be a mistake to say that a structure that is an illusion arises. It is not that there is an illusion (i.e. the self) that is actually a structure of the five aggregates which is the real accumulator...
by Sherab
Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:22 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?
Replies: 46
Views: 2336

Re: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?

An illusory self does not exist. That is why it is called "illusory". Your question is like asking "are the horns of a rabbit all there is?", "is the son of a barren women all there is?", or "is this massive gold bar in my hand right now all there is?" If you...
by Sherab
Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:30 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?
Replies: 46
Views: 2336

Re: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?

But let's not forget that there is an illusory owner of karma, the creator of its own karma, unique to itself, the result of which karma is only experienced by itself. So, the question is whether the illusory self is all there is. An illusory self does not exist. That is why it is called "illu...
by Sherab
Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:23 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?
Replies: 46
Views: 2336

Re: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?

The creative power of karma - 'karma can create things'. Right. Karma doesn’t actually ‘create’ things. Not literally, but our perception of a physical and mental 'container universe' with its laws is, according to abhidharma, a function of the ripening of our karma. Everything is originally empty,...
by Sherab
Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:04 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?
Replies: 46
Views: 2336

Re: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?

When we have an understanding of Shunyata as ||empty of self||, we really have a problem in the face of deist arguments, but not when we have an understanding of Shunyata as ||empty of others, but full of self||, because this sphere emptiness intrinsically possesses the attributes of a TRUE self (n...
by Sherab
Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:21 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?
Replies: 46
Views: 2336

Re: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?

I came across an atheist's counter-argument to the Aristotelian idea of the unmoved mover/initial cause, with parallels with Indian culture. This counter-argument aligns with Buddhism and current cosmology. It suggests placing space and time as the unmoved mover, where instead of a cause, we would ...
by Sherab
Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:41 am
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?
Replies: 46
Views: 2336

Re: How to respond to theistic/deistic arguments from a Madhyamaka point of view?

Bit of a long and philosophically complex set of questions here. I have a friend who is a deist and they know some arguments for why a God-like first cause of the universe exists, and I have ran into some issues with aspects of the Madhyamaka view on the subject of these arguments. It would be grea...
by Sherab
Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:07 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

Conventionally, there are things out there. It's not a problem unless one wants to propose that things exist from their own side. That includes everything, both subject and objects, insides and outsides. As I have argued previously, it is all mental representations based on your argument. Because o...
by Sherab
Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:02 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

An appearance indeed belongs to a mind; but an apparent object does not (as Longchenpa shows in both chapter 8 and chapter 12 of his commentary on the Treasury of the Dharmdhātu). For this reasons there are appearances for sentient beings, but not for rocks and trees. Saying that neither appearance...
by Sherab
Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:58 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

This phenomena-noumena dichotomy is not found in Buddhist teachings. Positing a noumena beyond your senses is positing a svabhāva. What you say is all in your mind, not mine. Conventionally, there are things out there. It's not a problem unless one wants to propose that things exist from their own ...
by Sherab
Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:34 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

What I was asking is whether the thing being referred to in "fundamentally there is no thing", only refers to the mental image in the mind and not to the physical thing from which the perceiving mind generates its image, or the physical thing or both. We all know that the mental image of ...
by Sherab
Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:21 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

All the way down, and there is no bottom, Since conventions are mind made, therefore, as far as your analysis goes, it applies only to whatever is in the mind. It cannot say anything as regards whatever is external to the mind, and the nature of whatever is external to the mind. “Mind” is also a co...
by Sherab
Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:15 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

Mind is no thing, not inside or outside our body. Mental images are projected from mind and they are no different to mind’s nature of no thing no location, no air, no space. Yet from this physical body, we are distinct individuals as you know you are not me. Maybe we and the physical worlds are onl...
by Sherab
Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:11 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

A convention. So, a cause is a convention of a cause which is a convention of a convention of a cause ...... All the way down, and there is no bottom, Since conventions are mind made, therefore, as far as your analysis goes, it applies only to whatever is in the mind. It cannot say anything as rega...
by Sherab
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:37 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

That depends on who you ask. For example, if you ask Chan Sixth Patriarch Hui Neng, he’d say ‘fundamentally there is no thing.’ His successor Master Yongjia Xuanjue also says, ‘When awakened to the Dharmakaya there is no thing.’ But he also said, ‘the delusory appearance without body is Dharmakaya....
by Sherab
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:29 am
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

Malcolm wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:17 pm
Sherab wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:57 pm
Malcolm wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:21 am

A cause.
And what is a cause which is not a thing but a convention of a cause?
A convention.
So, a cause is a convention of a cause which is a convention of a convention of a cause ......
by Sherab
Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:01 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

But be careful that when you say “a thing” that you aren’t implying “thing ness ”. In other words, if you say that a table is established from parts (“…but it arises because of a cause or causes…”) don’t make the mistake of saying that now, some essential “table-ness” suddenly exists as the result....
by Sherab
Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:57 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

Malcolm wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:21 am
Sherab wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:45 pm
Malcolm wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:01 pm

A convention.
A convention of what?
A cause.
And what is a cause which is not a thing but a convention of a cause?
by Sherab
Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:53 pm
Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
Topic: Question about dependent origination
Replies: 67
Views: 27060

Re: Question about dependent origination

In other words, a thing does not arise from itself, or from other but it arises because of a cause or causes. But be careful that when you say “a thing” that you aren’t implying “thing ness ”. In other words, if you say that a table is established from parts (“…but it arises because of a cause or c...

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