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by kalden yungdrung
Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:02 pm
Forum: Dzogchen
Topic: Thoughts on Dzogchen without buddhism?
Replies: 112
Views: 2214

Re: Thoughts on Dzogchen without buddhism?

Another version i know which is used in Bön Dzogchen is that the maximum number of 9 persons for DI is used.
by kalden yungdrung
Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:00 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Bön Sarma
Replies: 34
Views: 3868

Re: Bön Sarma

H.H. Kundrol Drakpa Rinpoche - 016.jpg According Jean Huang, Have unofficial translation as follows: Bön and Nyingma both the heart of Dharma. Kagyu is such as the eyes of the Dharma. Gelug is such as ornaments of the Dharma. Therefore I don’t have any Partiality. H.H. Kundrol Darkpa Rinpoche is no...
by kalden yungdrung
Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:45 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Aryjna wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:45 pm
WeiHan wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:39 pm
So Dzogchen is name of a path as well as name of the fruit? The path that can be followed and practiced by non-aryans are practices like those in Rushens...
Yes, it seems so. In any case, ChNNR always says that Dzogchen is a separate path.
:good:

A separate path with separate methods
by kalden yungdrung
Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:04 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Here is the Direct Introduction (Ganga Mahamudra / Indian Mahamudra):

http://unfetteredmind.org/ganges-mahamudra-class/

Can somebody of you point out where this DI is happening ?
by kalden yungdrung
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:43 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Aryjna wrote: I should have said that he says that it is not necessary to practice other things before you can practice Dzogchen. Agree according Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche we have no much time left to be busy with Tantra, because Tantra needs many time and Samayas etc. to get result. Loponla arg...
by kalden yungdrung
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:34 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

dzogchungpa wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:23 pm
It's kind of like that scene in Manhattan:

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It was for sure not based on karma mudra according the doctor who was a Tantrika.
by kalden yungdrung
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:31 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Crazywisdom wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:29 pm
O guess what? Tregchod and Thogal are so slow. There’s a shorter short cut than that boring stuff. A ceremony.
:good:
by kalden yungdrung
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:14 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Aryjna wrote: I should have said that he says that it is not necessary to practice other things before you can practice Dzogchen. Agree according Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche we have no much time left to be busy with Tantra, because Tantra needs many time and Samayas etc. to get result. Loponla arg...
by kalden yungdrung
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:04 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Thee difference between great perfection and great seal is there so much less to talk about. The only difference seems to be the name The rest is according some here the same Then lets forget all names, methods , visions and Traditions Which Tradition should be then taken here ? That Tradition whic...
by kalden yungdrung
Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:54 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Thee difference between great perfection and great seal is there so much less to talk about. The only difference seems to be the name The rest is according some here the same Then lets forget all names, methods , visions and Traditions Which Tradition should be then taken here ? That Tradition whic...
by kalden yungdrung
Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:35 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Crazywisdom wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:25 pm
Buddhism is the best.
:good:
by kalden yungdrung
Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:41 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

I have nothing but respect for Loppon Tenzin Namdak, but I think the Bonpos are mistaken on this particular point. YMMV. CHNN also considers the result of (tantric) mahāmudra and Dzogchen to be the same, as shown above. That is a different statement, which can be accepted. In the beginning you insi...
by kalden yungdrung
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:17 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Yeh, insulting other ones teachers and also here the members in public that should always be avoided, out of respect, so i have learned that by the years. But sometimes it happens. I have nothing but respect for Loppon Tenzin Namdak, but I think the Bonpos are mistaken on this particular point. YMM...
by kalden yungdrung
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:13 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Yeh, insulting other ones teachers and also here the members in public that should always be avoided, out of respect, so i have learned that by the years. But sometimes it happens. I have nothing but respect for Loppon Tenzin Namdak, but I think the Bonpos are mistaken on this particular point. YMM...
by kalden yungdrung
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:40 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

I am still not clear on Yongdzin's Rinpoche's opinion on this matter. The quotes given so far are ambiguous, and I do not have a grip on how Bonpo teachers contextualize "lower" teachings, nor has any real explanation been given. I don't think that pithy explanations like those given so far do much...
by kalden yungdrung
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:14 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Semde and Longde. Neither contain thogal. Oh then if we abide in our Natural State, as Trekchöd, then there would be no Thögal present ? Thögal first appears when Trekchöd is mastered ? Before that it is residing somewhere else? Neither Series contains trechöd or thögal. Kevin... Ok i give you for ...
by kalden yungdrung
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:34 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Dzogchen is Trekchöd and Thogal. Actually it is a lot more than that, and trechod and thogal aren't "indivisable." People can practice just trechod and become enlightened. You practice thogal only when your trekchod is very stable. Trekchöd and Thogal are teached as indivisable in Bön Dzogchen in Y...
by kalden yungdrung
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:04 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Mahamudra and Dzogchen
Replies: 10
Views: 441

Re: Mahamudra and Dzogchen

Personally, I find Mahamudra MUCH easier to work with than Dzogchen. Dzogchen is like being thrown into the deep end of the pool. Mahamudra can be much more step-by-step. I also find that a continuing study of Madhyamaka has been extremely useful. - What is for you then so specific different betwee...
by kalden yungdrung
Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:51 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

Florin wrote: I am not a student of Yongdzin R. but i have received chaktri and thogal from Khenpo Tenpa Yundrung R. I am not a dutchman and not from Hague. I am a european "latino" and speak a romance language influenced by a proto-balkanic linguistic substratum. :) Ok , but i had so the feeling t...
by kalden yungdrung
Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:44 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities
Replies: 219
Views: 5015

Re: Dzogchen and Mahamudra: differences and similarities

WeiHan

That is the point! That is why an argument that sutrayana attains rainbow body too is possible.

Sorry that i see as pure speculation.
They have Bardo possibilities.

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