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by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:16 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Noriaki cites this example, from the Shōbōgenzō shizen bhikkhu, as presented in Pruning the Bodhi Tree , pg. 123: Some people say that, because the enlightenment of the Buddhas and Tathagatas encompass the whole world, even a speck of dust manifests that enlightenment. Because that enlightenment enc...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:37 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
Views: 2692

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

passel wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:18 pm
CB folks see original enlightenment (hongaku) and b.n. of the insentient as Panglossian justifications for fascism.
Yes, their critique has echoes of Adorno.

Another interesting thing they do is try to show is that Dogen had a change of heart and rejected hongaku and BNI late in his life.
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:53 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

This is a very long article in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy on Tiantai Buddhism that is quite thorough and good: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/buddhism-tiantai/ It showed me that the whole concept of the Buddhanature of insentient beings If you read the Critical Buddhist folks, they...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:54 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Incidentally, we can call this a catuṣkoti; but we cannot call it a tetralemma, because one is not forced to pick one of these four alternatives. For example, a dilemma is where one must choose two different choices, one to the exclusion of the other. Then why do we call the so-called "negative tet...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:43 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

All in all, it offers an elegant solution, but if I may nitpick this one point: The commentary says "everything is true" because the Buddha explains the invariable characteristic of absence. Is this really an example of "everything is true"? Is the invariance of this characteristic of everything th...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:31 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Further, "everything is true" is valid because the Bhagavan explains the invariable characteristic of the absence of I and mine as knowable in order to abandon the afflictive obscuration. All in all, it offers an elegant solution, but if I may nitpick this one point: The commentary says "everything...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:02 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

You need to demonstrate that. If you claim that these are a list of perspectives the Buddha has taught in very specific contexts the first step would be saying what those contexts were, and then maybe outlining which edifying results they lead to in their context, if you were feeling particularly g...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:09 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

FYI https://northwestern.academia.edu/JianeShi Yes, thanks. I've read those. This is the problem: Among the Chinese Buddhist thinkers, Jingxi Zhanran (711-782) in the Tiantai School is the strongest advocate of insentient beings possessing Buddha-nature. He provides his rationale primarily from the...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:01 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Queequeg wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:23 pm
Simply put...
It is very clear that BNI is a later addition to the Tien tai school, and is not found in the writings of Zhi Yi.

You certainly have not shown that it can even be inferred from Zhi Yi's writings.
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:08 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
Views: 2692

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

No, it's four lemmata. You can't just pretend something isn't what it is. You need to argue your points. No. Those four are not arguments in a proof. That is the point. You need to demonstrate that. If you claim that these are a list of perspectives the Buddha has taught in very specific contexts t...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:32 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

一切實非實 亦實亦非實 All is real, all is unreal, all is both real and unreal 非實非非實 是名諸佛法 All is neither real nor unreal, this is called all Buddhas' dharma (T1564.23c16 Āryanāgārjunasya Mūlamadhyamakakārikāyām Ātmaparīkṣā) Ven Zhiyi probably read this positive tetralemma from Ven Nāgārjuna. That is not a te...
by Malcolm
Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:08 am
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
Views: 2692

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

The point of the tetralemma is not to make assertions. All you done here is now make four equally faulty identity propositions "a rock is a; is not a; is both a and not a; and is neither a nor not a." This is just not how the tetralemma is used in Buddhist texts by anyone. The tetralemma, used prop...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:43 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Notwithstanding, the reference to the quote does address the issue of "rock is suchness"/"ultimate is relative". If you think that passage is about samatha and vipasyana, you're missing the full import. Again, that passage is a conclusion of a significantly more involved argument. At this point, sa...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:42 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
Views: 2692

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

"Whatever is made to be the object [of contemplation], it is the Middle; there is nothing that is not truly real [ultimate]." -Mohezhikuan By the way, there is no middle, asserting a middle is a mistaken conclusion. LOL. Really, you don't know what you are talking about at this point when it comes ...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:38 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

When one take ultimate reality as one's contemplation, of course there is nothing that is not ultimate in that contemplation. That contemplation itself is focused upon the ultimate. Such sentiments as this are simply not controversial at all in Indian Buddhism, etc. LOL. You're the one arguing with...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:44 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
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Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

"Whatever is made to be the object [of contemplation], it is the Middle; there is nothing that is not truly real [ultimate]."
-Mohezhikuan
By the way, there is no middle, asserting a middle is a mistaken conclusion.
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:41 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
Views: 2692

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

A rock or a stone, or whatever you want to call a mineral composite does not have buddhanature because it is not the function of a rock to attain buddhahood since a rock has no mind and is not sentient. A sentient being has a mind, and so is capable of the function of attaining buddhahood, not beca...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:38 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
Views: 2692

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

And as I pointed out, prior to you making your identity proposition, it is conventionally acceptable to do so. But it is not conventionally acceptable to assert the identity proposition "A rock is suchness." It's like saying, "the relative is ultimate." This may be a point of impasse. "Whatever is ...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:03 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
Views: 2692

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Sigh. This is what I've been saying all along. You can invoke convention, but no one else can. Got it. An example of a convention is something which is functional in the world. Arguments which do not stand up to convention are false arguments. Claiming that a rock has buddhanature violates conventi...
by Malcolm
Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:56 pm
Forum: East Asian Buddhism
Topic: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?
Replies: 154
Views: 2692

Re: Buddhahood of Insentient Beings Exclusively East-Asian?

Your statement suffers from the problem of not distinguishing dharmin and dharmatā. While one cannot claim that dharmin and dharmatā, in this case a rock and its suchness, are absolutely different, neither can one claim they are identical. And your statement suffered from distinguishing them. And a...

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